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From: Avi Kivity <avi@argo.co.il>
To: Diego Calleja <diegocg@gmail.com>
Cc: jgarzik@pobox.com, jonsmirl@gmail.com, benh@kernel.crashing.org,
	alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, airlied@gmail.com, greg@kroah.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Small PCI core patch
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:00:01 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <438394E1.8080505@argo.co.il> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20051122214327.37b902e4.diegocg@gmail.com>

Diego Calleja wrote:

>El Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:08:49 +0200,
>Avi Kivity <avi@argo.co.il> escribió:
>
>  
>
>>None of the desktop Windows installations I'm aware of exhibit this. The 
>>recent versions of Windows are fairly stable.
>>    
>>
>
>You don't seem to check frecuently windows help forums, where some people
>speaks of nvidia as the number 1 "bluescreener"...
>
>Lots of windows drivers _are_ crappy. It's just a fact - some companies
>hire the wrong people. Some companies (like nvidia) get money from being
>fast, not from stability. This is a good example from a microsoft
>programmer about how some companies cheat the WHQL certification to
>get faster drivers...
>http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2004/03/05/84469.aspx
>
>This one about silent install of drivers by "smart" installers is fun
>too: http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2005/08/16/452141.aspx
>
>  
>
Awsome. Certainly a very strong point against Windows drivers.

>  
>
>>Many people have hyperthreaded CPUs today.
>>    
>>
>
>Hypertreaded CPUs can't run the two virtual cpus at the same time,
>  
>
Actually they are parallel at the instruction level. For the purpose of 
SMP-safety they are the same as true SMP. They just have different 
performance characterestics.

>>It works well on the server, where Linux has a large and rising market 
>>    
>>
>
>Linux didn't always have a large market share on servers. Again, history
>has shown that the path taken by linux until now is succesful.
>  
>
I hope you're right. But desktops are more complex, more varied, and 
have much more, er, interesting, users.

-- 
Do not meddle in the internals of kernels, for they are subtle and quick to panic.


  reply	other threads:[~2005-11-22 22:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-11-21 22:53 [RFC] Small PCI core patch Greg KH
2005-11-21 23:01 ` Greg KH
2005-11-21 23:35   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22  0:47     ` Dave Airlie
2005-11-22  1:34       ` Alan Cox
2005-11-22  2:20         ` Jon Smirl
2005-11-22  2:36           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22  3:01             ` Jon Smirl
2005-11-22  7:41           ` Rob Landley
2005-11-22  8:44             ` Dave Airlie
2005-11-22  2:27         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22  3:23           ` Jon Smirl
2005-11-22  3:44             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22  4:11             ` Neil Brown
2005-11-22  8:07               ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-11-22 14:30                 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 16:33                   ` Rob Landley
2005-11-22 16:38                     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 10:58               ` Florian Weimer
2005-11-22 19:28               ` Adrian Bunk
2005-11-23 15:46                 ` Jesper Juhl
2005-11-24  2:11                   ` Lee Revell
2005-11-22 15:46             ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 15:51               ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 16:14                 ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 16:25                   ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 16:40                     ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 16:56                       ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 17:11                         ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 17:37                         ` Brian Gerst
2005-11-22 17:38                           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 19:39                           ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-23 10:51                         ` Rogério Brito
2005-11-23 14:29                           ` Alan Cox
2005-11-22 18:38                       ` Alan Cox
2005-11-22 19:47                         ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 16:26                   ` Diego Calleja
2005-11-22 16:35                     ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 19:49                       ` Diego Calleja
2005-11-22 20:08                         ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 20:15                           ` Lee Revell
2005-11-22 20:43                           ` Diego Calleja
2005-11-22 22:00                             ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2005-11-22 22:42                       ` Jan Knutar
2005-11-22 14:07           ` Marc Koschewski
2005-11-22 22:53             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22 23:06               ` Marc Koschewski
2005-11-22 23:20                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22 14:25           ` Alan Cox
2005-11-22 14:26             ` today's graphics (was Re: [RFC] Small PCI core patch) Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 18:58               ` Alan Cox
2005-11-22 18:41                 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22  1:21     ` [RFC] Small PCI core patch Greg KH
2005-11-22  1:28     ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-11-22  1:42       ` Greg KH
2005-11-22  5:50     ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-22 14:36       ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 16:54     ` Jon Smirl
2005-11-22 20:17       ` Alan Cox
2005-11-22 21:13         ` Brian Gerst
2005-11-22 23:26           ` Alan Cox
2005-11-22 22:59       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22  6:57   ` Rob Landley
2005-11-22 18:26   ` Matthieu CASTET
2005-11-22 19:05     ` Greg KH
2005-11-22 20:15     ` Alan Cox
2005-11-23  3:26       ` Andrew James Wade
2005-11-21 23:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-21 23:30 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22 17:50 ` Greg KH
2005-11-22 22:31   ` Harald Dunkel
2005-11-22 23:40     ` Alan Cox
2005-11-23  6:06       ` Harald Dunkel
2005-11-23  6:26         ` Dave Jones
2005-11-23 11:11           ` Alan Cox
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     [not found] ` <5bsXq-5uy-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <5btqF-66n-41@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <5bzmg-66b-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <5bHtG-228-23@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-11-25  4:06         ` Robert Hancock
2005-11-25  6:34           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-25 13:54           ` Alan Cox

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