Is anyone using mlmmj with qmail?

Is anyone using mlmmj with qmail?

[Charlie Brady]

I'm surprised by this step in the install instructions:

  1) Make sure your mailserver accepts '+' as a recipient delimiter.

It would seem to me that mlmmj is not "mail server independent" if it 
can't be used with an unmodified qmail installation.

Thanks in advance.

---
Charlie

Re: Is anyone using mlmmj with qmail?

[Mads Martin Joergensen]

* Charlie Brady <charlieb@budge.apana.org.au> [Jan 12. 2006 02:18]:
> 
> I'm surprised by this step in the install instructions:
> 
>  1) Make sure your mailserver accepts '+' as a recipient delimiter.
> 
> It would seem to me that mlmmj is not "mail server independent" if it 
> can't be used with an unmodified qmail installation.

That's actually wrong these days. mlmmj has configurable recipient
delimiter. I'll fix the README, thanks.

Quote from TUNABLES:

 · delimiter                    (normal)

   This specifies what to use as recipient delimiter for the list.
   Default is "+".

-- 
Mads Martin Joergensen, http://mmj.dk
"Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic
 and totally illogical, with just a little bit more effort?"
                                 -- A. P. J.

Re: Is anyone using mlmmj with qmail?

[Charlie Brady]

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On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Mads Martin Joergensen wrote:

> * Charlie Brady <charlieb@budge.apana.org.au> [Jan 12. 2006 02:18]:
>>
>> I'm surprised by this step in the install instructions:
>>
>>  1) Make sure your mailserver accepts '+' as a recipient delimiter.
...
> That's actually wrong these days. mlmmj has configurable recipient
> delimiter. I'll fix the README, thanks.
>
> Quote from TUNABLES:
>
> · delimiter                    (normal)
>
>   This specifies what to use as recipient delimiter for the list.
>   Default is "+".

I saw that, but that seemed to say that was a "per list" configuration, 
which didn't make sense to me. "recipient delimiter" also doesn't seem to 
be defined anywhere.

Thanks for your package. I agree 100% with your motivation. I'll try to 
knock up a qmail README once I have it up and running.

Re: Is anyone using mlmmj with qmail?

[Charlie Brady]

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Charlie Brady wrote:

> I'll try to knock up a qmail README once I have it up and running.

That is, unless someone *is* already using mlmmj with qmail, and can 
already describe the installation/configuration steps.

Re: Is anyone using mlmmj with qmail?

[Thomas Goirand]

Charlie Brady wrote:

>
> On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Charlie Brady wrote:
>
>> I'll try to knock up a qmail README once I have it up and running.
>
>
> That is, unless someone *is* already using mlmmj with qmail, and can 
> already describe the installation/configuration steps.

As said before I AM using qmail and MLMMJ, and our control panel 
supports BOTH qmail and postfix, I'd like to have MLMMJ work also with 
qmail. IT IS supposed to work, I CAN SEE IN THE LOGS that it's 
delivering, but in fact IT DOESN'T currently seemsly because of a right 
problem. But nobody gave informations or tried to help...

About the setup, I can write something about it, the setup is VERY easy.

Thomas

Re: Is anyone using mlmmj with qmail?

[Mads Martin Joergensen]

* Thomas Goirand <thomas@goirand.fr> [Jan 12. 2006 18:30]:
> >That is, unless someone *is* already using mlmmj with qmail, and can 
> >already describe the installation/configuration steps.
> 
> As said before I AM using qmail and MLMMJ, and our control panel 
> supports BOTH qmail and postfix, I'd like to have MLMMJ work also with 
> qmail. IT IS supposed to work, I CAN SEE IN THE LOGS that it's 
> delivering, but in fact IT DOESN'T currently seemsly because of a right 
> problem. But nobody gave informations or tried to help...

I'll gladly try to help. Can you show is the delivery from the logs, and
one of the mails not getting through.

Is it ending up in discarded/ directory?

-- 
Mads Martin Joergensen, http://mmj.dk
"Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic
 and totally illogical, with just a little bit more effort?"
                                 -- A. P. J.

Re: Is anyone using mlmmj with qmail?

[Thomas Goirand]

Mads Martin Joergensen wrote:

>I'll gladly try to help. Can you show is the delivery from the logs, and
>one of the mails not getting through.
>  
>
I'm glad you are glad! :)

Jan 13 13:33:12 xen010503 qmail: 1137159192.427929 new msg 557233
Jan 13 13:33:12 xen010503 qmail: 1137159192.427973 info msg 557233: 
bytes 599 from <thomas@goirand.fr> qp 18561 uid 64011
Jan 13 13:33:12 xen010503 qmail: 1137159192.508078 starting delivery 1: 
msg 557233 to local 
xen010503-gplhost-com-test-subscribe@xen010503.gplhost.com
Jan 13 13:33:12 xen010503 qmail: 1137159192.508432 status: local 1/10 
remote 0/20
Jan 13 13:33:12 xen010503 qmail: 1137159192.881010 delivery 1: success: 
did_0+0+1/
Jan 13 13:33:12 xen010503 qmail: 1137159192.881048 status: local 0/10 
remote 0/20
Jan 13 13:33:12 xen010503 qmail: 1137159192.881414 end msg 557233

Here is the log. As you can see, it's doing the delivery correctly. The 
problem is that it seems it's not sending it to mlmmj-recieve. My 
.qmail-default contains the following:

|preline -f /usr/bin/mlmmj-recieve -L 
/var/spool/mlmmj/xen010503.gplhost.com_test -F

What is strange, is that when I just type "preline -f 
/usr/bin/mlmmj-recieve -L /var/spool/mlmmj/xen010503.gplhost.com_test" 
on the command line, it says "preline: usage: preline cmd [ arg ... ]" 
so it seems to be wrong.

>Is it ending up in discarded/ directory?
>  
>
Where is that folder supposed to be? If it's supposed to be in the list 
folder, then mlmmj-make-ml didn't make it.

Would you like to login in my test server and have a try? If you do, I 
can give you the root (it's a xen VPS I use only for my internal tests).

Regards,

    Thomas Goirand

Re: Is anyone using mlmmj with qmail?

[Mads Martin Joergensen]

* Thomas Goirand <thomas@goirand.fr> [Jan 13. 2006 14:40]:
> Jan 13 13:33:12 xen010503 qmail: 1137159192.427929 new msg 557233
> Jan 13 13:33:12 xen010503 qmail: 1137159192.427973 info msg 557233: 
> bytes 599 from <thomas@goirand.fr> qp 18561 uid 64011
> Jan 13 13:33:12 xen010503 qmail: 1137159192.508078 starting delivery 1: 
> msg 557233 to local 
> xen010503-gplhost-com-test-subscribe@xen010503.gplhost.com
> Jan 13 13:33:12 xen010503 qmail: 1137159192.508432 status: local 1/10 
> remote 0/20
> Jan 13 13:33:12 xen010503 qmail: 1137159192.881010 delivery 1: success: 
> did_0+0+1/
> Jan 13 13:33:12 xen010503 qmail: 1137159192.881048 status: local 0/10 
> remote 0/20
> Jan 13 13:33:12 xen010503 qmail: 1137159192.881414 end msg 557233
> 
> Here is the log. As you can see, it's doing the delivery correctly. The 
> problem is that it seems it's not sending it to mlmmj-recieve. My 
> .qmail-default contains the following:
> 
> |preline -f /usr/bin/mlmmj-recieve -L 
> /var/spool/mlmmj/xen010503.gplhost.com_test -F
> 
> What is strange, is that when I just type "preline -f 
> /usr/bin/mlmmj-recieve -L /var/spool/mlmmj/xen010503.gplhost.com_test" 
> on the command line, it says "preline: usage: preline cmd [ arg ... ]" 
> so it seems to be wrong.

Someone on this list have gotten this working--if it's not passing it on
to mlmmj-recieve, then mlmmj cannot be blamed (yet :-)

http://mlmmj.mmj.dk/archive/0331.html <- can that help?

> >Is it ending up in discarded/ directory?
> > 
> >
> Where is that folder supposed to be? If it's supposed to be in the list 
> folder, then mlmmj-make-ml didn't make it.

It's in queue/

> Would you like to login in my test server and have a try? If you do, I 
> can give you the root (it's a xen VPS I use only for my internal tests).

If I could help out, I would definately do it, but it wouldn't make
sense for now.

-- 
Mads Martin Joergensen, http://mmj.dk
"Why make things difficult, when it is possible to make them cryptic
 and totally illogical, with just a little bit more effort?"
                                 -- A. P. J.

Re: Is anyone using mlmmj with qmail?

[Charlie Brady]

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Thomas Goirand wrote:

> Charlie Brady wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Jan 2006, Charlie Brady wrote:
>> 
>>> I'll try to knock up a qmail README once I have it up and running.
>> 
>> That is, unless someone *is* already using mlmmj with qmail, and can 
>> already describe the installation/configuration steps.
>
> As said before

... not to me.

> I AM using qmail and MLMMJ, and our control panel supports 
> BOTH qmail and postfix, I'd like to have MLMMJ work also with qmail. IT IS 
> supposed to work, I CAN SEE IN THE LOGS that it's delivering, but in fact IT 
> DOESN'T currently seemsly because of a right problem. But nobody gave 
> informations or tried to help...

If you can provide sufficient information then I can try to help.

> About the setup, I can write something about it, the setup is VERY easy.

A quick description would be helpful.

Thanks

Charlie

Re: Is anyone using mlmmj with qmail?

[Charlie Brady]

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Mads Martin Joergensen wrote:

>> Jan 13 13:33:12 xen010503 qmail: 1137159192.508432 status: local 1/10
>> remote 0/20
>> Jan 13 13:33:12 xen010503 qmail: 1137159192.881010 delivery 1: success:
>> did_0+0+1/
...
>>
>> Here is the log. As you can see, it's doing the delivery correctly. The
>> problem is that it seems it's not sending it to mlmmj-recieve.

What's your evidence for that? qmail reported a successful delivery.

>> My .qmail-default contains the following:

Do you know that that .qmail file is used for the delivery?

>> |preline -f /usr/bin/mlmmj-recieve -L
>> /var/spool/mlmmj/xen010503.gplhost.com_test -F
>>
>> What is strange, is that when I just type "preline -f
>> /usr/bin/mlmmj-recieve -L /var/spool/mlmmj/xen010503.gplhost.com_test"
>> on the command line, it says "preline: usage: preline cmd [ arg ... ]"
>> so it seems to be wrong.
>
> Someone on this list have gotten this working--if it's not passing it on
> to mlmmj-recieve, then mlmmj cannot be blamed (yet :-)
>
> http://mlmmj.mmj.dk/archive/0331.html <- can that help?

That message says that "preline -f ..." is needed, which is what we've 
been shown is being used.

>> Where is that folder supposed to be? If it's supposed to be in the list
>> folder, then mlmmj-make-ml didn't make it.
>
> It's in queue/

Which "queue/"? Not the qmail queue (under /var/qmail/queue), because, as 
we've already seen, it's been successfully delivered.

Thomas, please tell us the full story (and there's no need to SHOUT, I'm 
sure).