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From: Hubertus Franke <frankeh@watson.ibm.com>
To: Sam Vilain <sam@vilain.net>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Kirill Korotaev <dev@openvz.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, clg@fr.ibm.com,
	haveblue@us.ibm.com, greg@kroah.com, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk,
	serue@us.ibm.com, arjan@infradead.org, kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru,
	saw@sawoct.com, devel@openvz.org, Dmitry Mishin <dim@sw.ru>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 18:18:33 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <43E92AC9.3090308@watson.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43E92602.8040403@vilain.net>

Sam Vilain wrote:
> Hubertus Franke wrote:
> 
>> The container is just an umbrella object that ties every "virtualized" 
>> subsystem together.
> 
> 
> I like this description; it matches roughly with the concepts as
> presented by vserver; there is the process virtualisation (vx_info), and
> the network virtualisation (nx_info) of Eric's that has been integrated
> to the vserver 2.1.x development branch.  However the vx_info has become
> the de facto umbrella object space as well.  These could almost
> certainly be split out without too much pain or incurring major
> rethinks.
> 
> Sam.
> 


Agreed.. here are some issued we learned from other projects that had
similar interception points.

Having a central umbrella object (let's stick to the name container)
is useful, but being the only object through which every access has to
pass may have drawbacks..

task->container->pspace->pidmap[offset].page   implies potential
cachemisses etc.

If overhead becomes too large, then we can stick (cache) the pointer
additionally in the task struct. But ofcourse that should be carefully
examined on a per subsystem base...

==
Another thing to point out is that container's can have overlaps.

C/R should be a policy thing. So if each "subsystem"

>  Quote Eric>>>
> PIDS
> UIDS
> SYSVIPC
> NETWORK
> UTSNAME
> FILESYSTEM

is represented as a NAMESPACE, then one can pick and choose as a
policy how these constitute at a conceptual level as a container.
You want something migratable you better make sure that
container implies unique subsystems.
Maybe you want to nest containers, but only want to create a
separate pidspaces for performance isolation (see planetlab work
with vserver).
So, there are many possibilities, that might make perfect sense
for different desired solutions and it seems with the
clone ( CLONE_FLAGS_NSPACE_[PIDS/UIDS/SYS.../FS] ) one gets a solution
that is flexible, yet embodies may requirements.....

-- Hubertus




  reply	other threads:[~2006-02-07 23:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-02-06 21:57 [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-06 22:12 ` [PATCH 2/4] Virtualization/containers: CONFIG_CONTAINER Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-06 22:17 ` [PATCH 3/4] Virtualization/containers: UID hash Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-06 22:22 ` [PATCH 4/4] Virtualization/containers: uts name Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-06 23:00 ` [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction Dave Hansen
2006-02-07 12:24   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-07  3:34 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-07  3:40   ` Rik van Riel
2006-02-07  6:30     ` Sam Vilain
2006-02-07 11:51       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-07 14:31         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-07 15:42       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-07 16:18         ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-07 17:20           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-07 22:43         ` Sam Vilain
2006-02-07 16:57       ` Hubertus Franke
2006-02-07 20:19         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-02-07 20:46           ` Hubertus Franke
2006-02-07 22:00             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-07 22:19               ` Hubertus Franke
2006-02-07 22:06             ` The issues for agreeing on a virtualization/namespaces implementation Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-07 23:35               ` Hubertus Franke
2006-02-08  0:43                 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-02-08  2:49                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-08  3:36                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-02-08  3:52                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-08  4:37                         ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-02-08  4:46                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-08 19:24                         ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-02-08  5:23                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-08 14:40                   ` Hubertus Franke
2006-02-08 15:17                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-02-08 15:35                       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-08 15:57                         ` Hubertus Franke
2006-02-08 19:02                           ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-02-08 16:48                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-08 17:46                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-08 18:03                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-02-08 18:31                       ` Hubertus Franke
2006-02-08 20:21                       ` Dave Hansen
2006-02-08 21:22                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-02-08 22:28                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-20 12:11                 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-20 12:41                   ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-02-20 14:26                     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-20 15:16                       ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-02-08  4:56               ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-02-08 14:38                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-02-08 14:51                   ` Hubertus Franke
2006-02-09  4:45               ` Kyle Moffett
2006-02-09  5:41                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-09 22:25               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-07 22:58         ` [PATCH 1/4] Virtualization/containers: introduction Sam Vilain
2006-02-07 23:18           ` Hubertus Franke [this message]
2006-02-08  5:03             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-08 14:13               ` Hubertus Franke
2006-02-08 15:44                 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-08 16:39                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-08  2:08           ` Kevin Fox
2006-02-08  1:16             ` Sam Vilain
2006-02-08  4:21               ` Paul Jackson
2006-02-08 15:36         ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-08 17:16           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-08 20:43           ` Dave Hansen
2006-02-08 21:04             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-07 12:14   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-07 14:06     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-07 14:52       ` Rik van Riel
2006-02-07 15:13         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-09  0:24 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-09  2:18   ` Jeff Dike
2006-02-09  3:16     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-02-09 14:28     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-09 15:40       ` Jeff Dike
2006-02-09 15:49         ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-02-09 17:50           ` Jeff Dike
2006-02-09 16:38     ` Hubertus Franke
2006-02-09 17:48       ` Jeff Dike
2006-02-09 22:09         ` Sam Vilain
2006-02-09 21:56   ` Eric W. Biederman

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