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From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@SteelEye.com>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>
Cc: SCSI Mailing List <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-ide@vger.kernel.org" <linux-ide@vger.kernel.org>,
	Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [RFT] major libata update]
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 12:17:46 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <446B4CAA.1030409@garzik.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1147881002.3463.23.camel@mulgrave.il.steeleye.com>

James Bottomley wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-05-17 at 11:06 -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote:
>> storage device and storage host are key objects included in the 
> 
> This is one of the questions.  Currently block has no concept of "host".
> All it knows about are queues (which may be per host or per device
> depending on the implementation).  Do we need to introduce the concept
> of something like queue grouping (a sort of lightweight infrastructure
> that could be used by the underlying transport to implement a host
> concept without introducing hosts at the block layer)?

Yes, and not only that...  you must describe the queue pipeline too. 
i.e. N logical devices can be bottlenecked behind a bridge (expander, 
port multiplier, tunnel) of queue depth Q, which may in turn be behind 
another bottleneck.  :)

But overall, libata and SAS controllers are forced to deal with the 
reality of the situation:  they all wind up either using, or recreating 
from scratch, objects for host/device/bus/etc. in order to sanely allow 
all the infrastructure to interoperate.

You'll all note that struct Scsi_Host and struct scsi_cmnd have very 
little to do with SCSI.  Its almost all infrastructure and driver 
management.  That's the _useful_ stuff that libata uses SCSI for.

Thus, moving libata to the block layer entails either 
s/Scsi_Host/Storage_Host/g or a highly similar infrastructure, to 
achieve the same gains.

It is _trivial_ to write a new SCSI driver [even if your hardware is not 
SCSI], and there are good reasons for that.  Please all, examine those 
reasons...

	Jeff




  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-05-17 16:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-05-15 17:08 [Fwd: [RFT] major libata update] Jeff Garzik
2006-05-16 14:18 ` James Bottomley
2006-05-16 15:41   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-16 15:51     ` James Bottomley
2006-05-16 16:06       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-16 16:30         ` James Bottomley
2006-05-16 16:39           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-16 21:55             ` Luben Tuikov
2006-05-16 21:32           ` Luben Tuikov
2006-05-16 16:08       ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-16 16:13         ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-16 16:29         ` James Bottomley
2006-05-16 16:37           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-16 16:39           ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-16 16:50             ` James Bottomley
2006-05-16 17:07               ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-16 17:09                 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-16 19:58                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-05-16 20:02                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-16 21:28                   ` James Bottomley
2006-05-18  3:27                     ` Tejun Heo
2006-05-19 12:07                       ` [PATCH] SCSI: make scsi_implement_eh() generic API for SCSI transports Tejun Heo
2006-05-16 16:12       ` [Fwd: [RFT] major libata update] Jeff Garzik
2006-05-16 16:38         ` James Bottomley
2006-05-16 16:57           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-17  7:37             ` Jens Axboe
2006-05-17 15:06               ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-17 15:50                 ` James Bottomley
2006-05-17 15:58                   ` James Smart
2006-05-17 16:17                   ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2006-05-17 17:53                     ` James Bottomley
2006-05-17 22:08                       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-17 22:15                         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-17 17:47                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-05-17 17:55                     ` Jens Axboe
2006-05-17 22:04                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-05-17 22:12                         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-17 21:41                     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-17 21:52                     ` Douglas Gilbert
2006-05-17 22:20                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-05-18  3:04                     ` Luben Tuikov
2006-05-17 16:05                 ` Douglas Gilbert
2006-05-17 17:37                 ` Jens Axboe
2006-05-17 21:58                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-18  7:21                     ` Jens Axboe
2006-05-16 18:28       ` Luben Tuikov
2006-05-16 18:15     ` Luben Tuikov
2006-05-16 18:05   ` Luben Tuikov
2006-05-16 18:38     ` James Bottomley
2006-05-16 22:24       ` Luben Tuikov
2006-05-16 22:29         ` James Bottomley
2006-05-16 23:02           ` Luben Tuikov
2006-05-16 23:12             ` James Bottomley
2006-05-17  0:25               ` Luben Tuikov
2006-05-17 14:09                 ` James Bottomley
2006-05-18  2:39                   ` Luben Tuikov
2006-05-18 13:57                     ` James Bottomley
2006-05-19  3:28                       ` Luben Tuikov
2006-05-17 14:02               ` missed patch: Block I/O while SG reset operation in progress James Smart

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