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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>, Jeff Bailey <jbailey@ubuntu.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Michael Tokarev <mjt@tls.msk.ru>,
	Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org>,
	torvalds@osdl.org, klibc@zytor.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Subject: Re: [klibc] klibc and what's the next step?
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 15:22:16 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44A6F598.7090601@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060701150506.GA10517@thunk.org>

Theodore Tso wrote:
> 
> Personally, I would be happier with keeping things like suspend2 in
> the kernel, since I don't think the hellish compatibility problems
> with non-reviewed kernel functionality that has been ejected into
> userspace is really worth it --- but if we *are* going to go down the
> route pushing everything into userspace, it is going to be critical
> that distro's buy into using a kernel initialization system which is
> shipped with the kernel, and can be updated without being tied a
> particular distro's non-standard "value add".  Maybe that means we
> need to have hooks so that the distro's can add their non-standard
> "value add" without breaking the ability for users to upgrade to newer
> kernels.

That would be my feeling.  The ability to overlay initramfs is essential 
for that.

 > But either way, we're going to have to decide which way
> we're going to go, and if we're going to go down the blind
> in-userspace-good-in-kernel-bad approach, the distro's are going to
> have to cooperate or it's going to be a mess.

Of course.

	-hpa


  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-07-01 22:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-26  0:57 [klibc 00/43] klibc as a historyless patchset H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-27 13:12 ` klibc and what's the next step? Roman Zippel
2006-06-27 13:39   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-27 16:42     ` [klibc] " Greg KH
2006-06-28 23:46       ` Roman Zippel
2006-06-27 17:01     ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-27 17:11       ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-27 17:40         ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-27 17:45           ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-27 20:22             ` Joshua Hudson
2006-06-28  5:47               ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-29  0:04             ` Roman Zippel
2006-07-03 18:30               ` Rob Landley
2006-07-03 18:46                 ` [klibc] " maximilian attems
2006-07-04  1:36                   ` Jeff Bailey
2006-07-04  2:02                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-27 14:07   ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-27 14:40   ` Jeff Bailey
2006-06-27 19:47   ` Milton Miller
2006-06-28 23:56     ` Roman Zippel
2006-06-29  0:34       ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-29 23:33         ` Roman Zippel
2006-06-30  8:00           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2006-06-30 18:08             ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-30 22:58               ` Michael Tokarev
2006-06-30 18:11   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-30 23:04     ` Michael Tokarev
2006-06-30 23:15       ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-01 10:56         ` [klibc] " Jeff Bailey
2006-07-01 15:05           ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-01 20:08             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-01 21:58               ` Al Viro
2006-07-01 22:31               ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-02  0:05               ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-02  0:17                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-02  0:38                   ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-02  0:50                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-01 22:22             ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2006-07-03  7:23             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2006-07-03 21:36             ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-01 15:22           ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-01 15:47           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-30 23:32       ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-11  4:48   ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 10:29     ` Michael Tokarev
2006-07-11 11:27       ` [klibc] " Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 16:24         ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 16:40           ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 17:05             ` Jeff Garzik
2006-07-11 17:16               ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 17:23                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 17:30                   ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 17:46                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 18:01                       ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 18:04                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 18:10                           ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 18:17                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 19:15                               ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 19:29                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-11 19:38                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 19:51                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-11 19:59                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-07-11 20:01                                       ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-11 20:11                                       ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 20:57                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 18:03                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 18:06                   ` Michael Tokarev
2006-07-11 18:15                   ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 18:22                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 18:53                       ` Alan Cox
2006-07-11 18:46                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 20:06                       ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 20:22                         ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 21:22                         ` Greg KH
2006-07-12 16:54                           ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-12 16:58                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-12 17:01                               ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-12 21:36                             ` Greg KH
2006-07-11 17:55               ` Michael Tokarev
2006-07-11 17:46             ` Michael Tokarev
2006-07-11 17:52               ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 18:02                 ` Michael Tokarev
2006-07-11 10:51     ` Sam Ravnborg
2006-07-11 13:45     ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-11 14:28       ` Michael Tokarev
2006-07-11 15:13       ` [klibc] " Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 15:30         ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-11 15:47           ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 16:21         ` Alan Cox
2006-07-11 14:32     ` Rene Herman
2006-07-12 15:23       ` David Lang
2006-07-13 11:58     ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-27 18:59 ` [klibc 00/43] klibc as a historyless patchset Milton Miller
2006-06-27 19:12   ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-27 20:39     ` Milton Miller

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