From: Michael Tokarev <mjt@tls.msk.ru>
To: Olaf Hering <olh@suse.de>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org>,
torvalds@osdl.org, klibc@zytor.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [klibc] klibc and what's the next step?
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 22:02:10 +0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <44B3E7A2.1070102@tls.msk.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060711175249.GA16869@suse.de>
Olaf Hering wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 11, Michael Tokarev wrote:
>
>> Olaf Hering wrote:
>> []
>>> To create the initrd you needed a loop file, at least for ext2, minix etc.
>> It's just damn trivial to pack your files into cpio archive and gzip it.
>
> The point is not how trivial it is. The point is how much has to change
> that you can run 2.6.42 on an 42 year old installation with the tools
> that were available at that time.
I'd say you've ZERO chance to run just new kernel. You will need more
recent glibc, never softraid tools, you will discover that /dev/hdXX are
all gone, and so on.
> Obiviously you cant be bothered to install newer packages, like kinit.rpm.
> Basic backwards compatibilty. Its not a term from the klingon dictionary.
Well. I'd say it's not that obvious. For example, I can't boot redhat-6.0
system with current 2.6 kernel (I once tried that, probably with 2.6.9 or
something - there were quite.. some problems. Upgrading several packages,
including glibc compiled against 2.6 kernel, solved that. Some stuff was
still broken, but I didn't try hard). BTW, devfs is just one example...
try to boot a one-year-old gentoo distro (not 42, but 1) with current
2.6 without devfs... ;)
Another point is: why the heck you want to boot such 42-years-old system
with current "best, grestest" kernel, anyway?
> Btw, kinit is already taken, some kerberos thing.
Heh. Yes it is.
/mjt
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-07-11 18:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-06-26 0:57 [klibc 00/43] klibc as a historyless patchset H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-27 13:12 ` klibc and what's the next step? Roman Zippel
2006-06-27 13:39 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-27 16:42 ` [klibc] " Greg KH
2006-06-28 23:46 ` Roman Zippel
2006-06-27 17:01 ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-27 17:11 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-27 17:40 ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-27 17:45 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-27 20:22 ` Joshua Hudson
2006-06-28 5:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-29 0:04 ` Roman Zippel
2006-07-03 18:30 ` Rob Landley
2006-07-03 18:46 ` [klibc] " maximilian attems
2006-07-04 1:36 ` Jeff Bailey
2006-07-04 2:02 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-27 14:07 ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-27 14:40 ` Jeff Bailey
2006-06-27 19:47 ` Milton Miller
2006-06-28 23:56 ` Roman Zippel
2006-06-29 0:34 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-29 23:33 ` Roman Zippel
2006-06-30 8:00 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2006-06-30 18:08 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-30 22:58 ` Michael Tokarev
2006-06-30 18:11 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-30 23:04 ` Michael Tokarev
2006-06-30 23:15 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-01 10:56 ` [klibc] " Jeff Bailey
2006-07-01 15:05 ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-01 20:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-01 21:58 ` Al Viro
2006-07-01 22:31 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-02 0:05 ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-02 0:17 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-02 0:38 ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-02 0:50 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-01 22:22 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-03 7:23 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2006-07-03 21:36 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-01 15:22 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-01 15:47 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-30 23:32 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-11 4:48 ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 10:29 ` Michael Tokarev
2006-07-11 11:27 ` [klibc] " Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 16:24 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 16:40 ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 17:05 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-07-11 17:16 ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 17:23 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 17:30 ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 17:46 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 18:01 ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 18:04 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 18:10 ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 18:17 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 19:15 ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 19:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-11 19:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 19:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-11 19:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-07-11 20:01 ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-11 20:11 ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 20:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 18:03 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 18:06 ` Michael Tokarev
2006-07-11 18:15 ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 18:22 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 18:53 ` Alan Cox
2006-07-11 18:46 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 20:06 ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 20:22 ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 21:22 ` Greg KH
2006-07-12 16:54 ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-12 16:58 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-12 17:01 ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-12 21:36 ` Greg KH
2006-07-11 17:55 ` Michael Tokarev
2006-07-11 17:46 ` Michael Tokarev
2006-07-11 17:52 ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 18:02 ` Michael Tokarev [this message]
2006-07-11 10:51 ` Sam Ravnborg
2006-07-11 13:45 ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-11 14:28 ` Michael Tokarev
2006-07-11 15:13 ` [klibc] " Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 15:30 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-11 15:47 ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 16:21 ` Alan Cox
2006-07-11 14:32 ` Rene Herman
2006-07-12 15:23 ` David Lang
2006-07-13 11:58 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-27 18:59 ` [klibc 00/43] klibc as a historyless patchset Milton Miller
2006-06-27 19:12 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-27 20:39 ` Milton Miller
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