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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Pekka J Enberg <penberg@cs.Helsinki.FI>,
	Ulrich Drepper <drepper@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	akpm@osdl.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, tytso@mit.edu,
	tigran@veritas.com
Subject: Re: O_CAREFUL flag to disable open() side effects
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:03:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44C8FFFE.3010402@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1154023516.13509.72.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Alan Cox wrote:
> Ar Iau, 2006-07-27 am 10:33 -0700, ysgrifennodd H. Peter Anvin:
>> For a conventional file, directory, or block device O_CAREFUL is a 
>> no-op.  For ttys it would typically behave similar to O_NONBLOCK 
>> followed immediately by a fcntl to clear the nonblock flag.
> 
> Linus long ago suggested O_NONE to go with RO/RW/WO. Its not that hard
> to do with the current file op stuff but you have to work out what the
> access permission semantics of it are and what it means for ioctl etc

O_NONE might be a good thing to do with that, but I think the "careful" 
semantics should be a separate flag (we shouldn't have different side 
effects depending on the individual mode.)

O_NONE would be a useful complement to O_CAREFUL though; for some 
devices O_CAREFUL with anything *other than* O_NONE might be an invalid 
operation.

The semantics would obviously be device dependent, but the basic idea 
should be that opening with O_CAREFUL should not disturb the global 
state of the device; it should only create a handle.

	-hpa


  reply	other threads:[~2006-07-27 18:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-07-27 14:25 [RFC/PATCH] revoke/frevoke system calls V2 Pekka J Enberg
2006-07-27 15:07 ` Alan Cox
2006-07-27 15:33   ` Pekka Enberg
2006-07-27 16:09     ` Alan Cox
2006-07-27 16:01       ` Pekka J Enberg
2006-07-27 16:30         ` Alan Cox
2006-07-27 17:07           ` Pekka J Enberg
2006-07-27 18:27           ` Pekka Enberg
2006-07-27 16:41 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-07-27 17:05   ` Pekka J Enberg
2006-07-27 17:13     ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-07-27 17:33       ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-27 17:44         ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-07-27 18:00           ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-27 17:33     ` Alan Cox
2006-07-27 17:33       ` O_CAREFUL flag to disable open() side effects H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-27 17:43         ` Russell King
2006-07-27 17:50         ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-07-27 18:05         ` Alan Cox
2006-07-27 18:03           ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2006-07-27 18:14             ` Joshua Hudson
2006-08-05 21:05       ` [RFC/PATCH] revoke/frevoke system calls V2 Pavel Machek
2006-07-27 18:06 ` Petr Baudis
2006-07-27 18:10   ` Pekka Enberg
2006-07-27 19:30     ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-07-28  3:40       ` Pekka J Enberg
2006-07-27 18:34   ` Alan Cox
2006-08-05 12:29 ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-07  5:42   ` Pekka J Enberg
2006-08-07  8:17   ` Edgar Toernig
2006-08-07  9:51     ` Pekka Enberg
2006-08-07 20:41       ` Edgar Toernig
2006-08-07 22:24         ` Chase Venters
2006-08-08 12:15           ` Alan Cox
2006-08-09  8:41             ` Edgar Toernig
2006-08-09 10:39               ` Alan Cox
2006-08-09 18:00                 ` Edgar Toernig
2006-08-09 18:36                   ` Alan Cox
2006-08-09 19:13                     ` Pekka Enberg
2006-08-09 20:08                       ` Edgar Toernig
2006-08-09 21:29                       ` Edgar Toernig
2006-08-11  7:52                   ` Helge Hafting
2006-08-07 22:52         ` David Wagner
2006-08-07 22:56           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2006-08-07 23:12             ` Chase Venters
2006-08-08 12:16               ` Pekka Enberg
2006-08-08 16:02                 ` Kari Hurtta
2006-08-08 21:54                   ` Theodore Tso
2006-08-09  6:32                     ` Pekka Enberg
2006-08-08 12:13           ` Alan Cox
2006-08-08 12:29         ` Alan Cox
2006-08-08 12:31           ` Pekka Enberg
2006-08-08 12:57           ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-08 14:14             ` Alan Cox
2006-08-08 13:57               ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-09  8:41           ` Edgar Toernig
2006-08-09 10:42             ` Alan Cox
2006-08-09 18:00               ` Edgar Toernig
2006-08-09 18:35                 ` Alan Cox
2006-08-09 19:14                   ` Pekka Enberg

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