From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Pekka J Enberg <penberg@cs.Helsinki.FI>,
Ulrich Drepper <drepper@gmail.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
akpm@osdl.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, tytso@mit.edu,
tigran@veritas.com
Subject: Re: O_CAREFUL flag to disable open() side effects
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:03:42 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <44C8FFFE.3010402@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1154023516.13509.72.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Alan Cox wrote:
> Ar Iau, 2006-07-27 am 10:33 -0700, ysgrifennodd H. Peter Anvin:
>> For a conventional file, directory, or block device O_CAREFUL is a
>> no-op. For ttys it would typically behave similar to O_NONBLOCK
>> followed immediately by a fcntl to clear the nonblock flag.
>
> Linus long ago suggested O_NONE to go with RO/RW/WO. Its not that hard
> to do with the current file op stuff but you have to work out what the
> access permission semantics of it are and what it means for ioctl etc
O_NONE might be a good thing to do with that, but I think the "careful"
semantics should be a separate flag (we shouldn't have different side
effects depending on the individual mode.)
O_NONE would be a useful complement to O_CAREFUL though; for some
devices O_CAREFUL with anything *other than* O_NONE might be an invalid
operation.
The semantics would obviously be device dependent, but the basic idea
should be that opening with O_CAREFUL should not disturb the global
state of the device; it should only create a handle.
-hpa
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-07-27 18:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-07-27 14:25 [RFC/PATCH] revoke/frevoke system calls V2 Pekka J Enberg
2006-07-27 15:07 ` Alan Cox
2006-07-27 15:33 ` Pekka Enberg
2006-07-27 16:09 ` Alan Cox
2006-07-27 16:01 ` Pekka J Enberg
2006-07-27 16:30 ` Alan Cox
2006-07-27 17:07 ` Pekka J Enberg
2006-07-27 18:27 ` Pekka Enberg
2006-07-27 16:41 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-07-27 17:05 ` Pekka J Enberg
2006-07-27 17:13 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-07-27 17:33 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-27 17:44 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-07-27 18:00 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-27 17:33 ` Alan Cox
2006-07-27 17:33 ` O_CAREFUL flag to disable open() side effects H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-27 17:43 ` Russell King
2006-07-27 17:50 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-07-27 18:05 ` Alan Cox
2006-07-27 18:03 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2006-07-27 18:14 ` Joshua Hudson
2006-08-05 21:05 ` [RFC/PATCH] revoke/frevoke system calls V2 Pavel Machek
2006-07-27 18:06 ` Petr Baudis
2006-07-27 18:10 ` Pekka Enberg
2006-07-27 19:30 ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-07-28 3:40 ` Pekka J Enberg
2006-07-27 18:34 ` Alan Cox
2006-08-05 12:29 ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-07 5:42 ` Pekka J Enberg
2006-08-07 8:17 ` Edgar Toernig
2006-08-07 9:51 ` Pekka Enberg
2006-08-07 20:41 ` Edgar Toernig
2006-08-07 22:24 ` Chase Venters
2006-08-08 12:15 ` Alan Cox
2006-08-09 8:41 ` Edgar Toernig
2006-08-09 10:39 ` Alan Cox
2006-08-09 18:00 ` Edgar Toernig
2006-08-09 18:36 ` Alan Cox
2006-08-09 19:13 ` Pekka Enberg
2006-08-09 20:08 ` Edgar Toernig
2006-08-09 21:29 ` Edgar Toernig
2006-08-11 7:52 ` Helge Hafting
2006-08-07 22:52 ` David Wagner
2006-08-07 22:56 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2006-08-07 23:12 ` Chase Venters
2006-08-08 12:16 ` Pekka Enberg
2006-08-08 16:02 ` Kari Hurtta
2006-08-08 21:54 ` Theodore Tso
2006-08-09 6:32 ` Pekka Enberg
2006-08-08 12:13 ` Alan Cox
2006-08-08 12:29 ` Alan Cox
2006-08-08 12:31 ` Pekka Enberg
2006-08-08 12:57 ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-08 14:14 ` Alan Cox
2006-08-08 13:57 ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-09 8:41 ` Edgar Toernig
2006-08-09 10:42 ` Alan Cox
2006-08-09 18:00 ` Edgar Toernig
2006-08-09 18:35 ` Alan Cox
2006-08-09 19:14 ` Pekka Enberg
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