From: Edward Shishkin <edward@namesys.com>
To: Tom Reinhart <rhino_tom@hotmail.com>
Cc: reiserfs-list@namesys.com
Subject: Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 02:06:27 +0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <44E24563.1040900@namesys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BAY19-F195F80B4801CAB6EEB6C46944F0@phx.gbl>
Tom Reinhart wrote:
> Anyone with serious need for data integrity already uses RAID, so why
> add brand new complexity for a solved problem?
>
> RAID is great at recovering data, but not detecting errors. File system
> can detect errors with checksum. What is missing is an API between
> layers for filesystem to say "this sector is bad, go rebuild it."
>
Actually we dont need a special API: kernel should warn and recommend
running fsck, which scans the whole tree and handles blocks with bad
checksums.
> This seems like a much more simple and useful thing than adding ECC into
> the filesystem itself.
checksumming is _not_ much more easy then ecc-ing from implementation
standpoint, however it would be nice, if some part of errors will get
fixed without massive surgery performed by fsck
>
>
>>>> How about we switch to ecc, which would help with bit rot not sector
>>>> loss?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Interesting aspect.
>>>
>>> Yes, we can implement ECC as a special crypto transform that inflates
>>> data. As I mentioned earlier, it is possible via translation of key
>>> offsets with scale factor > 1.
>>>
>>> Of course, it is better then nothing, but anyway meta-data remains
>>> ecc-unprotected, and, hence, robustness is not increased..
>>>
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-08-15 22:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-08-15 21:27 the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org Tom Reinhart
2006-08-15 21:55 ` Hans Reiser
2006-08-15 22:06 ` Edward Shishkin [this message]
2006-08-15 22:20 ` Hans Reiser
2006-08-16 2:34 ` Tom Reinhart
2006-08-16 3:29 ` Gregory Maxwell
2006-08-15 22:27 ` David Masover
2006-08-15 22:44 ` Edward Shishkin
2006-08-15 23:29 ` David Masover
2006-08-16 1:14 ` Gregory Maxwell
2006-08-16 4:23 ` Hans Reiser
2006-08-16 15:08 ` Ric Wheeler
2006-08-16 22:48 ` Hans Reiser
2006-08-24 16:11 ` PFC
2006-08-16 2:53 ` Tom Reinhart
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-07-24 15:57 Al Boldi
2006-07-24 17:43 ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-07-24 18:46 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-25 4:07 ` Matthew Frost
2006-07-25 4:57 ` Al Boldi
2006-07-25 5:03 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-07-25 8:33 ` the ' 'official' point of view' " Luigi Genoni
2006-07-25 14:35 ` the " 'official' point of view" " Horst H. von Brand
2006-07-25 15:14 ` Lexington Luthor
2006-07-25 20:59 ` Matthias Andree
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