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From: Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hp.com>
To: Kelly Burkhart <kelly.burkhart@gmail.com>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	shemminger@osdl.org, alex@sectorb.msk.ru, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: high latency with TCP connections
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:40:46 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44F73B3E.6060900@hp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fa1e4ce70608311122n6555b7c3n1ecec9ed3adc46c2@mail.gmail.com>

Kelly Burkhart wrote:
> On 8/30/06, David Miller <davem@davemloft.net> wrote:
> 
>> From: Stephen Hemminger <shemminger@osdl.org>
>> > Expecting any performance with one byte write's is silly.
>>
>> This is absolutely true.  TCP_NODELAY can only save you when you are
>> sending a small amount of data "in aggregate", such as in an SSH or
>> telnet session, whereas in the case being shown here a large amount of
>> data is being sent in small chunks which will always get bad
>> performance.
> 
> 
> 
> The word performance in this list seems to always mean 'throughput'.
> It seems though that there could be some knob to tweak for those of us
> who don't care so much about throughput but care a great deal about
> latency.

IIRC Apart from interactions with Nagle (TCP_NODELAY) or the mixing of 
packet and byte-based congestion control and avoidance heuristics, there 
really isn't much of anything else to tweak in TCP.  If it can send 
data, it sends data.

Where there _is_ a knob to turn these days might be down with the 
drivers and their NICs' use of interrupt coalescing:

ftp://ftp.cup.hp.com/dist/networking/briefs/nic_latency_vs_tput.txt

rick jones

  reply	other threads:[~2006-08-31 19:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-08-30 10:07 high latency with TCP connections Alexander Vodomerov
2006-08-30 17:27 ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-08-30 21:39   ` David Miller
2006-08-30 22:04     ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-08-30 23:00     ` Rick Jones
2006-08-31  8:14     ` Alexander Vodomerov
2006-08-31 15:44       ` Sridhar Samudrala
2006-08-31 18:22     ` Kelly Burkhart
2006-08-31 19:40       ` Rick Jones [this message]
2006-08-31 21:08       ` Ian McDonald
2006-08-31 21:46   ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-08-31 22:14     ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-08-31 22:44       ` David Miller
2006-08-31 23:29         ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-08-31 23:57           ` David Miller
2006-09-01  3:23             ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-09-01  3:39               ` Ian McDonald
2006-09-01  6:23                 ` David Miller
2006-09-01  9:44             ` Pekka Savola
2006-09-01  9:49               ` David Miller
2006-09-01  9:47             ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-09-01 11:00               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]                 ` <20060901090046.69b3d583@localhost.localdomain>
2006-09-01 20:55                   ` [PATCH] tcp: turn ABC off Stephen Hemminger
2006-09-02  7:22                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-09-02  8:10                       ` Herbert Xu
2006-09-04  9:10                 ` high latency with TCP connections Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-09-04 16:00 ` [PATCH][RFC] " Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-09-05 17:55   ` Rick Jones
2006-09-05 22:13     ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-09-18  7:39     ` David Miller
2006-09-18 17:11       ` Rick Jones
2006-09-18 20:41         ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-09-18 21:24           ` Rick Jones
2006-09-18 22:51             ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-09-19  0:37               ` Rick Jones
2006-09-22 13:46                 ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-09-22 17:15                   ` Rick Jones
2006-09-18  7:31   ` David Miller
2006-09-18 10:37     ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-09-18 13:56       ` David Miller
2006-09-20 22:44         ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-09-20 22:47           ` David Miller
2006-09-20 22:55             ` Stephen Hemminger

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