From: Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>
To: Kory Maincent <kory.maincent@bootlin.com>
Cc: "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
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Dent Project <dentproject@linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v2 2/8] ethtool: Expand Ethernet Power Equipment with c33 (PoE) alongside PoDL
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2023 19:27:48 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <44c873f6-66fa-48bb-bc51-9ef20a772cea@lunn.ch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20231201-feature_poe-v2-2-56d8cac607fa@bootlin.com>
> +++ b/Documentation/networking/pse-pd/introduction.rst
> @@ -0,0 +1,73 @@
> +.. SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
> +
> +Power Sourcing Equipment (PSE) in IEEE 802.3 Standard
> +=====================================================
> +
> +Overview
> +--------
> +
> +Power Sourcing Equipment (PSE) is essential in networks for delivering power
> +along with data over Ethernet cables. It usually refers to devices like
> +switches and hubs that supply power to Powered Devices (PDs) such as IP
> +cameras, VoIP phones, and wireless access points.
> +
> +PSE vs. PoDL PSE
> +----------------
> +
> +PSE in the IEEE 802.3 standard generally refers to equipment that provides
> +power alongside data over Ethernet cables, typically associated with Power over
> +Ethernet (PoE).
> +
> +PoDL PSE, or Power over Data Lines PSE, specifically denotes PSEs operating
> +with single balanced twisted-pair PHYs, as per Clause 104 of IEEE 802.3. PoDL
> +is significant in contexts like automotive and industrial controls where power
> +and data delivery over a single pair is advantageous.
> +
> +IEEE 802.3-2018 Addendums and Related Clauses
> +----------------------------------------------
> +
> +Key addenda to the IEEE 802.3-2018 standard relevant to power delivery over
> +Ethernet are as follows:
> +
> +- **802.3af (Approved in 2003-06-12)**: Known as PoE in the market, detailed in
> + Clause 33, delivering up to 15.4W of power.
> +- **802.3at (Approved in 2009-09-11)**: Marketed as PoE+, enhancing PoE as
> + covered in Clause 33, increasing power delivery to up to 30W.
> +- **802.3bt (Approved in 2018-09-27)**: Known as 4PPoE in the market, outlined
> + in Clause 33. Type 3 delivers up to 60W, and Type 4 up to 100W.
> +- **802.3bu (Approved in 2016-12-07)**: Formerly referred to as PoDL, detailed
> + in Clause 104. Introduces Classes 0 - 9. Class 9 PoDL PSE delivers up to ~65W
> +
> +Kernel Naming Convention Recommendations
> +----------------------------------------
> +
> +For clarity and consistency within the Linux kernel's networking subsystem, the
> +following naming conventions are recommended:
> +
> +- For general PSE (PoE) code, use "c33_pse" key words. For example:
> + ``enum ethtool_c33_pse_admin_state c33_admin_control;``.
> + This aligns with Clause 33, encompassing various PoE forms.
> +
> +- For PoDL PSE - specific code, use "podl_pse". For example:
> + ``enum ethtool_podl_pse_admin_state podl_admin_control;`` to differentiate
> + PoDL PSE settings according to Clause 104.
> +
> +Summary of Clause 33: Data Terminal Equipment (DTE) Power via Media Dependent Interface (MDI)
> +-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> +
> +Clause 33 of the IEEE 802.3 standard defines the functional and electrical
> +characteristics of Powered Device (PD) and Power Sourcing Equipment (PSE).
> +These entities enable power delivery using the same generic cabling as for data
> +transmission, integrating power with data communication for devices such as
> +10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, or 1000BASE-T.
> +
> +Summary of Clause 104: Power over Data Lines (PoDL) of Single Balanced Twisted-Pair Ethernet
> +-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> +
> +Clause 104 of the IEEE 802.3 standard delineates the functional and electrical
> +characteristics of PoDL Powered Devices (PDs) and PoDL Power Sourcing Equipment
> +(PSEs). These are designed for use with single balanced twisted-pair Ethernet
> +Physical Layers. In this clause, 'PSE' refers specifically to PoDL PSE, and
> +'PD' to PoDL PD. The key intent is to provide devices with a unified interface
> +for both data and the power required to process this data over a single
> +balanced twisted-pair Ethernet connection.
This is a nice summary of the different standard and naming. Thanks
for adding this.
The c33 prefix is not ideal in terms of 'marketing', but we now have a
clear structure for how these two different schemes are
same/different.
Reviewed-by: Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>
Andrew
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-12-03 18:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-12-01 17:10 [PATCH net-next v2 0/8] net: Add support for Power over Ethernet (PoE) Kory Maincent
2023-12-01 17:10 ` [PATCH net-next v2 1/8] net: pse-pd: Rectify and adapt the naming of admin_cotrol member of struct pse_control_config Kory Maincent
2023-12-03 18:19 ` Andrew Lunn
2023-12-04 12:19 ` Oleksij Rempel
2023-12-01 17:10 ` [PATCH net-next v2 2/8] ethtool: Expand Ethernet Power Equipment with c33 (PoE) alongside PoDL Kory Maincent
2023-12-03 18:27 ` Andrew Lunn [this message]
2023-12-04 12:27 ` Oleksij Rempel
2023-12-06 2:45 ` Bagas Sanjaya
2023-12-06 8:35 ` Köry Maincent
2023-12-06 4:23 ` kernel test robot
2023-12-01 17:10 ` [PATCH net-next v2 3/8] net: pse-pd: Introduce PSE types enumeration Kory Maincent
2023-12-03 18:31 ` Andrew Lunn
2023-12-04 12:43 ` Oleksij Rempel
2023-12-03 18:38 ` Andrew Lunn
2023-12-04 14:00 ` Köry Maincent
2023-12-04 12:51 ` Oleksij Rempel
2023-12-04 13:55 ` Köry Maincent
2023-12-01 17:10 ` [PATCH net-next v2 4/8] net: ethtool: pse-pd: Expand pse commands with the PSE PoE interface Kory Maincent
2023-12-03 18:45 ` Andrew Lunn
2023-12-04 15:28 ` Köry Maincent
2023-12-04 15:29 ` Oleksij Rempel
2023-12-06 4:18 ` Bagas Sanjaya
2023-12-01 17:10 ` [PATCH net-next v2 5/8] netlink: specs: Modify pse attribute prefix Kory Maincent
2023-12-01 17:10 ` [PATCH net-next v2 6/8] netlink: specs: Expand the pse netlink command with PoE interface Kory Maincent
2023-12-01 17:10 ` [PATCH net-next v2 7/8] dt-bindings: net: pse-pd: Add bindings for PD692x0 PSE controller Kory Maincent
2023-12-04 23:08 ` Oleksij Rempel
2023-12-05 6:36 ` Oleksij Rempel
2023-12-05 10:15 ` Köry Maincent
2023-12-05 13:31 ` Köry Maincent
2023-12-05 14:21 ` Oleksij Rempel
2023-12-05 15:23 ` Köry Maincent
2023-12-08 9:06 ` Köry Maincent
2023-12-05 12:54 ` Mark Brown
2023-12-01 17:10 ` [PATCH net-next v2 8/8] net: pse-pd: Add PD692x0 PSE controller driver Kory Maincent
2023-12-03 19:34 ` Andrew Lunn
2024-01-16 9:49 ` Köry Maincent
2024-01-16 13:18 ` Andrew Lunn
2024-01-16 14:12 ` Köry Maincent
2023-12-03 21:11 ` Christophe JAILLET
2023-12-04 22:16 ` Köry Maincent
2023-12-05 18:01 ` Christophe JAILLET
2023-12-06 8:41 ` Köry Maincent
2023-12-04 22:59 ` Oleksij Rempel
2023-12-05 6:45 ` Oleksij Rempel
2023-12-05 12:55 ` Mark Brown
2023-12-05 14:02 ` Oleksij Rempel
2023-12-05 15:57 ` Mark Brown
2023-12-21 15:36 ` Köry Maincent
2023-12-21 15:43 ` Mark Brown
2023-12-21 16:10 ` Köry Maincent
2023-12-21 16:20 ` Mark Brown
2023-12-21 17:19 ` Köry Maincent
2023-12-21 17:34 ` Mark Brown
2023-12-21 17:42 ` Oleksij Rempel
2023-12-21 18:05 ` Mark Brown
2023-12-22 7:54 ` Oleksij Rempel
2023-12-05 21:35 ` kernel test robot
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