Writing/deleting NTFS files??

Writing/deleting NTFS files??

[Hal]

My daughter got into trouble with her XP machine so I offered to save
the files she wants, using a Linux CD, then re-installing..

Trouble is; the needed files are bigger than my flash drive or Zip
disks so I thought I would delete some files known bad.. But Linux
kernel 2.6.11 or 2.6.13 cannot write to a NTFS drive; read only..

Has this been changed or fixed, maybe with another kernel or
program?? Mounting the XP drive partition no problem..  Chmod doesn't
work of course.. :^(..

Any suggestions.. TIA

Best,

-- 

         Hal.
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Re: Writing/deleting NTFS files??

[Chuck Gelm]

Hal wrote:

>My daughter got into trouble with her XP machine so I offered to save
>the files she wants, using a Linux CD, then re-installing..
>
>Trouble is; the needed files are bigger than my flash drive or Zip
>disks so I thought I would delete some files known bad.. But Linux
>kernel 2.6.11 or 2.6.13 cannot write to a NTFS drive; read only..
>
>Has this been changed or fixed, maybe with another kernel or
>program?? Mounting the XP drive partition no problem..  Chmod doesn't
>work of course.. :^(..
>
>Any suggestions.. TIA
>
>Best,
>
>  
>
Hi, Hal:

 CD/R, DVD/R, nfs/samba to another computer via network crossover cable,
remove HD and mount to another computer and copy files,...

HTH, Chuck

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Re: Writing/deleting NTFS files??

[Ray Olszewski]

Chuck Gelm wrote:
> Hal wrote:
> 
>> My daughter got into trouble with her XP machine so I offered to save
>> the files she wants, using a Linux CD, then re-installing..
>>
>> Trouble is; the needed files are bigger than my flash drive or Zip
>> disks so I thought I would delete some files known bad.. But Linux
>> kernel 2.6.11 or 2.6.13 cannot write to a NTFS drive; read only..
>>
>> Has this been changed or fixed, maybe with another kernel or
>> program?? Mounting the XP drive partition no problem..  Chmod doesn't
>> work of course.. :^(..
>>
>> Any suggestions.. TIA
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>  
>>
> Hi, Hal:
> 
> CD/R, DVD/R, nfs/samba to another computer via network crossover cable,
> remove HD and mount to another computer and copy files,...
> 
> HTH, Chuck

Or you could track down the ntfsprogs package and use its ntfsmount 
program. According to the package's home page 
(http://www.linux-ntfs.org/), "ntfsprogs includes an improved driver, 
ntfsmount, which provides the same functionality as the kernel driver. 
Additionally it also supports basic cases of directory, symlink, device 
and FIFO file creation, deletion and renaming." Still beta though (Isn't 
everything, these days?), so no assurances it works as described.

You don't say which distro your Linux CD is, so I don't know if you have 
it. I did see the ntfsprogs package in the Debian-Sid package list.

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Re: Writing/deleting NTFS files??

[Arthur Nascimento]

Hi
One of the latest versions (>=2.6.17? maybe) of the Linux kernel
incorporated a new ntfs driver that supports writing on ntfs
partitions in a very safe way, i.e. not experimental like it used to
be.
So I suggest you get a more recent livecd, and it should have the
capabilities you expect. However, Debian derivatives are going to take
a _very long_ time to update to these newest versions of the kernel,
so I recommend a Red Hat or Gentoo derivative, since these distros are
known to stabilize the packets much faster.
Take a look at DistroWatch.com for more distros.
Good Luck.

2006/11/2, Hal <haltec@kvinet.com>:
>
> My daughter got into trouble with her XP machine so I offered to save
> the files she wants, using a Linux CD, then re-installing..
>
> Trouble is; the needed files are bigger than my flash drive or Zip
> disks so I thought I would delete some files known bad.. But Linux
> kernel 2.6.11 or 2.6.13 cannot write to a NTFS drive; read only..
>
> Has this been changed or fixed, maybe with another kernel or
> program?? Mounting the XP drive partition no problem..  Chmod doesn't
> work of course.. :^(..
>
> Any suggestions.. TIA
>
> Best,
>
> --
>
>         Hal.
> .
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Re: Writing/deleting NTFS files??

[Hal]

> >My daughter got into trouble with her XP machine so I offered to save
> >the files she wants, using a Linux CD, then re-installing..
> >
> >Trouble is; the needed files are bigger than my flash drive or Zip
> >disks so I thought I would delete some files known bad.. But Linux
> >kernel 2.6.11 or 2.6.13 cannot write to a NTFS drive; read only..
> >
> >Has this been changed or fixed, maybe with another kernel or
> >program?? Mounting the XP drive partition no problem..  Chmod doesn't
> >work of course.. :^(..
> >
> >Any suggestions.. TIA
> >
> >Best,
> >
> >--
> >
> >        Hal.

	Thank you Arthur, Bob, Chuck, James, Ray, Rob and Tommi for
the valid and excellent suggestions.. I spent a long time evaluating
and researching the various options and, bottom line, will use almost
all of them.. How do I get into situations like this??

	So far I've fetched RIP-15.1.isolinux.iso, with kernel 2.6.16
that has ntfsmount on board supporting writes.. Heretofore I was
trying with RIP-12.5, kernel 2.6.11 and Slackware 10-2 LiveCD, kernel
2.6.13; neither of which support ntfs writes.. Of course RIP is:
RecoveryIsPossible, and is a comprehensive development project based
on Slackware..

	Back to the drawing board I find that I was able to delete
most of the garbage but there are still some files and directories
that ntfsmount couldn't delete; "operation not permitted," even tho
the permissions were now "rw." At any rate I've gotten to where I can
work with it using some of the other recommendations..

	Unfortunately the subject Gateway case is too compact for two
HD's.. You can't win, eh??

	The main part of the project is solved anyway so APPRECIATE!
Long live Linux, the greatest... <grin>

Hal
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FedoraCore5: dhcpcd -d eth0 ?

[Chuck Gelm]

Howdy:

 I am trying out K12LTSP and its distribution is Fedora Core 5.

How do I ask 'eth0' to try to obtain an IP address via DHCP?

dhcpcd -d eth0
-bash command not found: dhcpcd

IIRC RedHat uses a network command 'ifup', so I...
man ifup
No manual page for ifup.

After running, 'netconfig', how do I ask FC5 to restart networking ?
(In Slackware it would be '/etc/rc.d/rc.inetd restart')
(other than rebooting ;-)

Regards, Chuck






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Re: FedoraCore5: dhcpcd -d eth0 ?

[Peter]

A)  Application -> System Tools -> Internet Configuration Wizard.         		
(usr/bin/internet-druid)

B) Desktop -> System -> Network 
	(usr/bin/system-config-network)

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Re: FedoraCore5: dhcpcd -d eth0 ?

[Chuck Gelm]

Hi, Peter:

Thanks for your response.  However, when I use the GUI interface
(K12LTSP, Gnome 2.14.2, 2.6.17-1.2157_FC5, logged in as 'root') and

Left click Applications -> System Tools ->
 I do not see Internet Configuration Wizard;
I do see only File Browser, Fltk Teacher Tool, Software Updater, and Yum 
Extender.

&&

When I right click on the Desktop,
I do not see System,
I do see Create Folder, Create Launcher, Create Document, Clean Up by Name
Keep Aligned, <paste>, Change Desktop Background.

 So, what am I doing wrong?

 I would, still, like to know;
after running, 'netconfig', how do I ask FC5 to restart networking ?

Regards, Chuck

Peter wrote:
> A)  Application -> System Tools -> Internet Configuration Wizard.         		
> (usr/bin/internet-druid)
>
> B) Desktop -> System -> Network 
> 	(usr/bin/system-config-network)
>
> Regards
>   
I am trying out K12LTSP and its distribution is Fedora Core 5.

How do I ask 'eth0' to try to obtain an IP address via DHCP?

dhcpcd -d eth0
-bash command not found: dhcpcd

IIRC RedHat uses a network command 'ifup', so I...
man ifup
No manual page for ifup.

After running, 'netconfig', how do I ask FC5 to restart networking ?
(In Slackware it would be '/etc/rc.d/rc.inetd restart')
(other than rebooting ;-)

Regards, Chuck

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Re: FedoraCore5: dhcpcd -d eth0 ?

[Peter]

Then K12LTSP must not use the standard apps gnome-panel or they do not have
those programs I mention in next paragraph.

Have you tried from a terminal the commands (usr/bin/internet-druid) and
(usr/bin/system-config-network) or may be /usr/bin/network-admin which is
the command in slackware using dropline-gnome giving the same gui? I use it
to connect for my dial-up ISP via the modem.

In /etc/init.d you might want to have a look at network and netplugd.

I could not find to start eth0 in Fedora as you mentioned we do it in slack
so I use /usr/bin/system-config-network

On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 11:58:14 -0500
Chuck Gelm <Chuck@Gelm.net> wrote:

> Hi, Peter:
> 
> Thanks for your response.  However, when I use the GUI interface
> (K12LTSP, Gnome 2.14.2, 2.6.17-1.2157_FC5, logged in as 'root') and
> 
> Left click Applications -> System Tools ->
>  I do not see Internet Configuration Wizard;
> I do see only File Browser, Fltk Teacher Tool, Software Updater, and Yum 
> Extender.
> 
> &&
> 
> When I right click on the Desktop,
> I do not see System,
> I do see Create Folder, Create Launcher, Create Document, Clean Up by Name
> Keep Aligned, <paste>, Change Desktop Background.
> 
>  So, what am I doing wrong?
> 
>  I would, still, like to know;
> after running, 'netconfig', how do I ask FC5 to restart networking ?
> 
> Regards, Chuck
> 
> Peter wrote:
> > A)  Application -> System Tools -> Internet Configuration Wizard.         		
> > (usr/bin/internet-druid)
> >
> > B) Desktop -> System -> Network 
> > 	(usr/bin/system-config-network)
> >
> > Regards
> >   
> I am trying out K12LTSP and its distribution is Fedora Core 5.
> 
> How do I ask 'eth0' to try to obtain an IP address via DHCP?
> 
> dhcpcd -d eth0
> -bash command not found: dhcpcd
> 
> IIRC RedHat uses a network command 'ifup', so I...
> man ifup
> No manual page for ifup.
> 
> After running, 'netconfig', how do I ask FC5 to restart networking ?
> (In Slackware it would be '/etc/rc.d/rc.inetd restart')
> (other than rebooting ;-)
> 
> Regards, Chuck
> 
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