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From: Andreas Ericsson <ae@op5.se>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Torgil Svensson <torgil.svensson@gmail.com>,
	sf-gmane@stephan-feder.de, sf <sf@b-i-t.de>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, Martin Waitz <tali@admingilde.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Submodules in GIT
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 11:38:06 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <45754C0E.3070904@op5.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0612041234390.3476@woody.osdl.org>

Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 4 Dec 2006, Torgil Svensson wrote:
>> Okay, missed that part.  I wasn't familiar with contents of the CVS
>> modules files and misinterpreted your suggestion.
>>
>> MODULE [OPTIONS] [&OTHERMODULE...] [DIR] [FILES]
>>
>> So all this is UI only and the "normal" operations on the supermodule
>> will just ignore what's behind the commit-links?
> 
> Right. That's how CVS modules work (although in the case of CVS modules, 
> the "dir" thing is obviously there in the "modules" file, so it's not 
> _purely_ UI in CVS - this would likely be different in a git 
> implementation, because the "tree" object ends up telling not just the 
> exact version, but the location too).
> 
> So my suggestion basically boils down to:
> 
>  - "fetch" and "clone" etc will just look at the "modules" file, and 
>    recursively fetch/clone whatever the module files talks about. This is 
>    the "thin veneer to make it _look_ like git actually understands 
>    submodules" part. It woudln't really - they're very much tacked on.
> 
>  - the tree entries are what makes the "once you have all the submodule 
>    objects, this is how you can do 'diff' and 'checkout' on them, and this 
>    is what tells you the exact version that goes along with a particular 
>    supermodule version".
> 
> In other words, the simple and stupid way to do this is to just consider 
> these two things two totally independent issues, and have different 
> mechanisms for telling different operations what to do.
> 
> Is it "pretty"? No. The whole sub-module thing wouldn't be a tightly 
> integrated low-level thing, it would very much be all about tracking 
> multiple _separate_ git repositories, and just make them work well 
> together. They'd very much still be separate, with just some simple 
> infrastructure glue to make them look somewhat integrated.
> 
> So yeah, it's a bit hacky, but for the reasons I've tried to outline, I 
> actually think that users _want_ hacky. Exactly because "deep integration" 
> ends up having so many _bad_ features, so it's better to have a thin and 
> simple layer that you can actually see past if you want to.
> 

Indeed. With the "tight" integration option we'd also have to have the 
mechanism to rewrite the tree-entries with the location where the 
submodule is located in the working tree. This might be needed anyways, 
but it sure as hell seems a lot easier to just tack that part on when 
doing a checkout and actually creating all the files.

-- 
Andreas Ericsson                   andreas.ericsson@op5.se
OP5 AB                             www.op5.se

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-12-05 10:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 252+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-11-20 21:51 [RFC] Submodules in GIT Martin Waitz
2006-11-20 22:16 ` Jakub Narebski
2006-11-20 22:28   ` Martin Waitz
2006-11-20 22:43   ` Junio C Hamano
2006-11-20 23:02     ` Jakub Narebski
2006-11-20 23:52       ` Martin Waitz
2006-11-21  1:31       ` Sam Vilain
2006-11-20 23:05     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-20 23:25       ` J. Bruce Fields
2006-11-20 23:33         ` Martin Waitz
2006-11-21 18:01           ` J. Bruce Fields
2006-11-21 19:32             ` Martin Waitz
2006-11-20 23:29       ` Martin Waitz
2006-11-21  0:10       ` Junio C Hamano
2006-11-21  0:42         ` Jakub Narebski
2006-11-21  6:21           ` Martin Waitz
2006-11-21 10:04             ` Jakub Narebski
2006-11-21 11:49               ` Martin Waitz
2006-11-21  6:27         ` Martin Waitz
2006-11-21  7:36           ` Junio C Hamano
2006-11-21  7:55             ` Martin Waitz
2006-11-21 22:31       ` Yann Dirson
2006-11-21 22:51         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-21 22:59           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-21 23:54           ` Yann Dirson
2006-11-22  3:40             ` Shawn Pearce
2006-11-23 23:23               ` Yann Dirson
2006-11-25  6:53                 ` Shawn Pearce
2006-11-25 11:12                   ` Yann Dirson
2006-11-25 18:57                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-25 19:19                       ` Steven Grimm
2006-11-25 19:30                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-25 23:49                           ` Yann Dirson
2006-11-26  1:14                             ` Sven Verdoolaege
2006-11-26  1:32                               ` Yann Dirson
2006-11-26  3:39                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-26  8:05                               ` Daniel Barkalow
2006-11-28  9:36                                 ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-11-28 10:29                                   ` Andy Parkins
2006-11-28 10:50                                     ` Jakub Narebski
2006-11-28 13:35                                       ` Andy Parkins
2006-11-28 15:44                                         ` Shawn Pearce
2006-11-28 16:29                                           ` Andy Parkins
2006-11-28 16:36                                             ` Shawn Pearce
2006-11-28 17:38                                             ` Jon Loeliger
2006-11-29 16:15                                             ` Martin Waitz
2006-11-30 11:57                                             ` sf
     [not found]                                               ` <200611301255.41733.andyparkins@gmail.com>
2006-11-30 14:00                                                 ` Stephan Feder
2006-11-30 14:49                                                   ` Andy Parkins
2006-11-30 15:20                                                     ` Sven Verdoolaege
2006-11-30 15:30                                                       ` Andy Parkins
2006-11-30 15:50                                                         ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-11-30 16:08                                                           ` Andy Parkins
2006-11-30 16:33                                                         ` Sven Verdoolaege
2006-12-01  0:01                                                           ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-01  0:11                                                             ` Jakub Narebski
2006-12-01  9:32                                                             ` Sven Verdoolaege
2006-12-01 10:19                                                               ` Andy Parkins
2006-11-30 17:19                                                         ` Martin Waitz
2006-11-30 16:05                                                     ` sf
2006-11-30 16:12                                                       ` sf
2006-12-01  9:19                                                       ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-01  9:57                                                         ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 10:29                                                           ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-01 10:42                                                             ` Sven Verdoolaege
2006-12-01 11:02                                                               ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-01 11:10                                                                 ` Sven Verdoolaege
2006-12-01 11:45                                                                   ` sf
2006-12-01 12:12                                                                   ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-01 12:28                                                                     ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 14:11                                                                       ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-01 15:12                                                                         ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 11:46                                                                 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 12:16                                                                   ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-01 12:34                                                                     ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 13:59                                                                       ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-01 14:07                                                                         ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 11:31                                                             ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 12:20                                                               ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-01 12:37                                                                 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-02 15:16                                                                   ` Jakub Narebski
2006-11-28 19:58                                         ` Steven Grimm
2006-11-28 21:02                                           ` Shawn Pearce
2006-11-29 16:03                                         ` Martin Waitz
2006-11-29 20:00                                           ` Andy Parkins
2006-11-30 12:16                                             ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-11-30 12:40                                               ` Andy Parkins
2006-11-30 17:06                                             ` Martin Waitz
2006-11-30 18:57                                               ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-12-01  8:49                                                 ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-01  9:33                                                   ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-12-01 10:38                                                     ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-01 12:03                                                 ` sf
2006-12-01 12:11                                                   ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 13:21                                                     ` sf
2006-12-01 13:43                                                       ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 14:23                                                         ` Stephan Feder
2006-12-01 15:07                                                           ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 16:04                                                             ` Stephan Feder
2006-12-01 16:15                                                               ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-05  9:01                                                 ` Uwe Kleine-Koenig
2006-12-05 10:33                                                   ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-12-05 11:11                                                     ` Jakub Narebski
2006-12-05 15:02                                                     ` Uwe Kleine-Koenig
2006-12-05 15:30                                                       ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-12-05 16:00                                                   ` Sven Verdoolaege
2006-12-01  9:02                                               ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-01 11:00                                                 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 12:09                                                   ` sf
2006-12-01 12:12                                                     ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 13:05                                                       ` sf
2006-12-01 13:35                                                         ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 13:43                                                           ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-12-01 13:46                                                             ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 14:52                                                               ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-12-01 15:00                                                                 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 16:38                                                                   ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-12-01 16:49                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-01 17:08                                                                       ` sf
2006-12-01 18:06                                                                         ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-12-01 20:13                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-01 20:30                                                                           ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 23:23                                                                             ` Alan Chandler
2006-12-01 22:06                                                                           ` Josef Weidendorfer
2006-12-01 22:12                                                                             ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 22:26                                                                               ` Josef Weidendorfer
2006-12-01 22:40                                                                                 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 23:17                                                                               ` Josef Weidendorfer
2006-12-02 20:24                                                                                 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-03  0:55                                                                                   ` Josef Weidendorfer
2006-12-03  6:29                                                                                     ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 22:26                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-01 22:41                                                                               ` sf
2006-12-01 23:03                                                                                 ` Josef Weidendorfer
2006-12-01 23:09                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-01 23:36                                                                                   ` Josef Weidendorfer
2006-12-02  0:12                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-02  9:22                                                                                       ` Andy Parkins
     [not found]                                                                                         ` <200612021255.59972.Josef.Weidendorfer@gmx.de>
2006-12-03  9:42                                                                                           ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-02 11:32                                                                                       ` Josef Weidendorfer
2006-12-02 19:52                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-02 20:21                                                                                           ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-02 20:46                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-02 20:58                                                                                               ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-03  1:11                                                                                                 ` Josef Weidendorfer
2006-12-02 20:18                                                                                       ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-02 20:44                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-02 21:06                                                                                           ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-02 21:29                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-02 21:22                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-03  2:07                                                                                             ` Thoughts about memory requirements in traversals [Was: Re: [RFC] Submodules in GIT] Josef Weidendorfer
2006-12-03  2:25                                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-03  2:46                                                                                               ` Shawn Pearce
2006-12-03  3:21                                                                                                 ` Josef Weidendorfer
2006-12-03 11:10                                                                                                   ` Jakub Narebski
2006-12-03 11:47                                                                                                     ` Josef Weidendorfer
2006-12-03 20:46                                                                                           ` [RFC] Submodules in GIT Martin Waitz
2006-12-03 22:16                                                                                       ` Sven Verdoolaege
2006-12-03 22:32                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-03 22:49                                                                                           ` Jakub Narebski
2006-12-04 11:12                                                                                           ` Josef Weidendorfer
2006-12-01 23:49                                                                                   ` sf
2006-12-02 18:57                                                                                     ` Torgil Svensson
2006-12-02 19:41                                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-03  9:19                                                                                         ` Torgil Svensson
2006-12-03 17:54                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-04 20:26                                                                                             ` Torgil Svensson
2006-12-04 20:41                                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-04 21:36                                                                                                 ` Torgil Svensson
2006-12-05 10:42                                                                                                   ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-12-05 11:09                                                                                                     ` Jakub Narebski
2006-12-05 10:38                                                                                                 ` Andreas Ericsson [this message]
2006-12-05 11:01                                                                                                   ` Jakub Narebski
2006-12-03 19:33                                                                                         ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-05  2:33                                                                                         ` Daniel Barkalow
2006-12-05 22:07                                                                                           ` sf
2006-12-09 21:34                                                                                         ` R. Steve McKown
2006-12-10 11:47                                                                                           ` Torgil Svensson
2006-12-14 21:27                                                                                             ` Torgil Svensson
2006-12-14 23:07                                                                                               ` Josef Weidendorfer
2006-12-15 17:43                                                                                                 ` Torgil Svensson
2006-12-15 21:42                                                                                                   ` Josef Weidendorfer
2006-12-15 23:43                                                                                                     ` Torgil Svensson
2006-12-16  1:13                                                                                                       ` Torgil Svensson
2006-12-16  1:20                                                                                                         ` Torgil Svensson
2006-12-16  1:34                                                                                                           ` Jakub Narebski
2006-12-16  8:40                                                                                                             ` Torgil Svensson
2006-12-16  9:57                                                                                                               ` Jakub Narebski
2006-12-16 10:25                                                                                                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2006-12-16 15:05                                                                                                                 ` Torgil Svensson
2006-12-16 15:38                                                                                                                   ` Torgil Svensson
2006-12-16 16:32                                                                                                                   ` Jakub Narebski
2006-12-17  0:21                                                                                                                     ` Torgil Svensson
2006-12-16  1:49                                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-16  2:12                                                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-16  8:50                                                                                                             ` Torgil Svensson
2006-12-02 20:12                                                                                   ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 22:55                                                                               ` Josef Weidendorfer
2006-12-01 23:07                                                                                 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 23:30                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-02  0:14                                                                                   ` Josef Weidendorfer
2006-12-02  0:33                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-12-02  9:27                                                                                       ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-04 18:56                                                                                       ` Michael K. Edwards
2006-12-05  1:31                                                                                         ` Sam Vilain
2006-12-01 22:35                                                                           ` sf
2006-12-08 18:29                                                                           ` Jon Loeliger
2006-12-08 18:45                                                                             ` Sven Verdoolaege
2006-12-12  8:32                                                                             ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-12-01 17:14                                                                       ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 16:57                                                                     ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 18:08                                                                       ` Andreas Ericsson
2006-12-01 18:51                                                                         ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 13:51                                                           ` Stephan Feder
2006-12-01 14:58                                                             ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 15:47                                                               ` Stephan Feder
2006-12-01 16:54                                                                 ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 17:33                                                                   ` Stephan Feder
2006-12-01 18:48                                                                     ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 23:34                                                                       ` sf
2006-12-02 19:46                                                                         ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 19:17                                                                     ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-01 19:38                                                                       ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 21:04                                                                         ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-01 21:37                                                                           ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-01 21:54                                                                             ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-01 22:08                                                                               ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-02 10:04                                                                                 ` Andy Parkins
2006-12-02 13:50                                                                                   ` Josef Weidendorfer
2006-12-02 20:43                                                                                     ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-03  1:02                                                                                       ` Josef Weidendorfer
2006-12-02 20:40                                                                                   ` Martin Waitz
2006-12-02 13:14                                                                           ` Jakub Narebski
2006-12-02 13:08                                                                     ` Jakub Narebski
2006-12-02 12:48                                                   ` Jakub Narebski
2006-11-28 17:28                                   ` Daniel Barkalow
2006-11-28 18:08                                     ` Sven Verdoolaege
2006-11-28 18:37                                       ` Daniel Barkalow
2006-11-28 19:06                                         ` Sven Verdoolaege
2006-11-28 20:41                                           ` Daniel Barkalow
2006-11-28 21:10                                             ` Shawn Pearce
2006-11-28 21:32                                               ` Daniel Barkalow
2006-11-28 21:53                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-20 22:49 ` Jakub Narebski
2006-11-21  7:21 ` Shawn Pearce
2006-11-22  5:29 ` Petr Baudis
2006-12-02 20:16 ` Jakub Narebski
2006-12-03  1:24   ` Robin Rosenberg
2006-12-03  1:31     ` Jakub Narebski
2006-12-03 12:22       ` Robin Rosenberg
2006-12-03 12:31         ` Jakub Narebski
2006-12-03 11:00     ` Jakub Narebski

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