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From: Maynard Johnson <maynardj@us.ibm.com>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	cbe-oss-dev@ozlabs.org, oprofile-list@lists.sourceforge.net,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Cbe-oss-dev] [RFC, PATCH 4/4] Add support to OProfile for profiling Cell BE SPUs -- update
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:29:40 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <45BFE2F4.8080309@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1170200044.26655.349.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:

>>I've given this some more thought, and I'm coming to the conclusion that 
>>a pure array-based implementation for holding cached_info (getting rid 
>>of the lists) would work well for the vast majority of cases in which 
>>OProfile will be used.  Yes, it is true that the mapping of an SPU 
>>context to a phsyical spu-numbered array location cannot be guaranteed 
>>to stay valid, and that's why I discard the cached_info at that array 
>>location when the SPU task is switched out.  Yes, it would be terribly 
>>inefficient if the same SPU task gets switched back in later and we 
>>would have to recreate the cached_info.  However, I contend that 
>>OProfile users are interested in profiling one application at a time. 
>>They are not going to want to muddy the waters with multiple SPU apps 
>>running at the same time.  I can't think of any reason why someone would 
>>conscisouly choose to do that.
>>
>>Any thoughts from the general community, especially OProfile users?
> 
> 
> Well, it's my understanding that quite a few typical usage scenario
> involve different tasks running on different SPUs passing each other
> data around.
That shouldn't be a problem.  I would consider this to be "one large 
application" consisting of multiple SPU binaries running simultaneously. 
  Such a scenario can be handled with no negative performance impact 
using a simple 16 element array of cached_info objects -- as long as 
there isn't (much) SPU task switching being done.

-Maynard
> 
> Ben.
> 
> 

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From: Maynard Johnson <maynardj@us.ibm.com>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org, oprofile-list@lists.sourceforge.net,
	cbe-oss-dev@ozlabs.org, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Cbe-oss-dev] [RFC, PATCH 4/4] Add support to OProfile for profiling Cell BE SPUs -- update
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 18:29:40 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <45BFE2F4.8080309@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1170200044.26655.349.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:

>>I've given this some more thought, and I'm coming to the conclusion that 
>>a pure array-based implementation for holding cached_info (getting rid 
>>of the lists) would work well for the vast majority of cases in which 
>>OProfile will be used.  Yes, it is true that the mapping of an SPU 
>>context to a phsyical spu-numbered array location cannot be guaranteed 
>>to stay valid, and that's why I discard the cached_info at that array 
>>location when the SPU task is switched out.  Yes, it would be terribly 
>>inefficient if the same SPU task gets switched back in later and we 
>>would have to recreate the cached_info.  However, I contend that 
>>OProfile users are interested in profiling one application at a time. 
>>They are not going to want to muddy the waters with multiple SPU apps 
>>running at the same time.  I can't think of any reason why someone would 
>>conscisouly choose to do that.
>>
>>Any thoughts from the general community, especially OProfile users?
> 
> 
> Well, it's my understanding that quite a few typical usage scenario
> involve different tasks running on different SPUs passing each other
> data around.
That shouldn't be a problem.  I would consider this to be "one large 
application" consisting of multiple SPU binaries running simultaneously. 
  Such a scenario can be handled with no negative performance impact 
using a simple 16 element array of cached_info objects -- as long as 
there isn't (much) SPU task switching being done.

-Maynard
> 
> Ben.
> 
> 



  reply	other threads:[~2007-01-31  0:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-01-29 19:45 [RFC, PATCH 0/4] Add support to OProfile for profiling Cell BE SPUs -- update Maynard Johnson
2007-01-29 19:46 ` [RFC, PATCH 1/4] " Maynard Johnson
2007-01-30  4:07   ` [Cbe-oss-dev] " Arnd Bergmann
2007-01-30  4:07     ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-01-30 10:39   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-30 10:39     ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-30 22:49     ` Carl Love
2007-01-30 22:49       ` Carl Love
2007-01-30 22:57       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-30 22:57         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-31  8:47         ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-31  8:47           ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-30 22:59       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-30 22:59         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-29 19:47 ` [RFC, PATCH 2/4] " Maynard Johnson
2007-01-30  4:08   ` [Cbe-oss-dev] " Arnd Bergmann
2007-01-30  4:08     ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-01-30 23:51     ` Carl Love
2007-01-30 23:51       ` Carl Love
2007-01-29 19:48 ` [RFC, PATCH 3/4] " Maynard Johnson
2007-01-30  4:24   ` [Cbe-oss-dev] " Arnd Bergmann
2007-01-30  4:24     ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-01-30 15:31     ` Maynard Johnson
2007-01-30 15:31       ` Maynard Johnson
2007-01-31  0:35       ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-01-31  0:35         ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-01-29 19:48 ` [RFC, PATCH 4/4] " Maynard Johnson
2007-01-30  7:39   ` [Cbe-oss-dev] " Arnd Bergmann
2007-01-30  7:53     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-30  7:53       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-30 10:41       ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-30 10:41         ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-01-30 23:09         ` Maynard Johnson
2007-01-30 23:09           ` Maynard Johnson
2007-01-30 21:41     ` Maynard Johnson
2007-01-30 21:41       ` Maynard Johnson
2007-01-30 22:54       ` Maynard Johnson
2007-01-30 22:54         ` Maynard Johnson
2007-01-30 23:34         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-30 23:34           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-31  0:29           ` Maynard Johnson [this message]
2007-01-31  0:29             ` Maynard Johnson
2007-01-31  6:52         ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-01-31  6:52           ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-02-02 16:47           ` Maynard Johnson
2007-02-02 16:47             ` Maynard Johnson
2007-02-03  7:40             ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-02-03  7:40               ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-02-03 20:03               ` Maynard Johnson
2007-02-03 20:03                 ` Maynard Johnson
2007-02-04  2:42                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-02-04  2:42                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-02-04 17:11                   ` Maynard Johnson
2007-02-04 17:11                     ` Maynard Johnson
2007-01-30 23:31       ` Carl Love
2007-01-30 23:31         ` Carl Love
2007-01-31  1:25         ` Christian Krafft
2007-01-31  1:25           ` Christian Krafft
2007-01-31  6:06         ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-01-31  6:06           ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-01-31  5:57       ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-01-31  5:57         ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-02-02 19:27         ` Maynard Johnson
2007-02-02 19:27           ` Maynard Johnson
2007-02-03 23:49     ` Maynard Johnson
2007-02-03 23:49       ` Maynard Johnson
2007-02-04  2:52       ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-02-04  2:52         ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-02-04 17:33         ` Maynard Johnson
2007-02-04 17:33           ` Maynard Johnson
2007-01-31  9:24   ` Milton Miller
2007-01-31 15:42     ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-02-01 18:56       ` Milton Miller
2007-02-02  0:54         ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-01-30  8:37 ` [RFC, PATCH 0/4] " Arnd Bergmann
2007-01-30  8:37   ` Arnd Bergmann

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