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From: Joshua Brindle <jbrindle@tresys.com>
To: Karl MacMillan <kmacmillan@mentalrootkit.com>
Cc: selinux@tycho.nsa.gov, linux-audit@redhat.com
Subject: Re: missing avc message field names
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 00:29:44 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <45C02948.9090607@tresys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <45BFE7EC.8050609@mentalrootkit.com>

Karl MacMillan wrote:
> James Antill wrote:
>> On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 09:49 -0500, Karl MacMillan wrote:
>>> Steve Grubb wrote:
>>>> ausearch -m all --raw | grep anything you want
>>> tail -f happens to be my favorite counter example, but I am certain 
>>> there are other useful tricks for monitoring logs that will break. 
>>> Not to mention the number of log monitoring and aggregation tools 
>>> that assume text logs.
>>
>>  To be fair the new audit dispatcher already has a plugin that does the
>> same thing as "tail -f" without needing to call stat(), and that'll be
>> released before auditd has binary logs ... although one could certainly
>> argue that it's not as obvious, it seems like a small price.
>>
>
> So you will have that wheel reinvented soon - that still leaves many, 
> many more that you have no control over.

Even with a tail replacement there has to be thousands of internally 
written and maintained log monitoring and reporting apps that will 
break, this is a fundamental change in how logging works on linux, not 
something that can or should be changed on a whim (or otherwise).

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From: Joshua Brindle <jbrindle@tresys.com>
To: Karl MacMillan <kmacmillan@mentalrootkit.com>
Cc: James Antill <jantill@redhat.com>,
	Steve Grubb <sgrubb@redhat.com>,
	linux-audit@redhat.com, ewalsh@tycho.nsa.gov,
	selinux@tycho.nsa.gov
Subject: Re: missing avc message field names
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 00:29:44 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <45C02948.9090607@tresys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <45BFE7EC.8050609@mentalrootkit.com>

Karl MacMillan wrote:
> James Antill wrote:
>> On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 09:49 -0500, Karl MacMillan wrote:
>>> Steve Grubb wrote:
>>>> ausearch -m all --raw | grep anything you want
>>> tail -f happens to be my favorite counter example, but I am certain 
>>> there are other useful tricks for monitoring logs that will break. 
>>> Not to mention the number of log monitoring and aggregation tools 
>>> that assume text logs.
>>
>>  To be fair the new audit dispatcher already has a plugin that does the
>> same thing as "tail -f" without needing to call stat(), and that'll be
>> released before auditd has binary logs ... although one could certainly
>> argue that it's not as obvious, it seems like a small price.
>>
>
> So you will have that wheel reinvented soon - that still leaves many, 
> many more that you have no control over.

Even with a tail replacement there has to be thousands of internally 
written and maintained log monitoring and reporting apps that will 
break, this is a fundamental change in how logging works on linux, not 
something that can or should be changed on a whim (or otherwise).


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  reply	other threads:[~2007-01-31  5:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-01-29 14:10 missing avc message field names Steve G
2007-01-29 14:35 ` Stephen Smalley
2007-01-29 14:58   ` Karl MacMillan
2007-01-29 15:13     ` Steve G
2007-01-29 15:09   ` Steve G
2007-01-29 15:13     ` Stephen Smalley
2007-01-29 17:27       ` Steve G
2007-01-29 18:32         ` Karl MacMillan
2007-01-29 18:39     ` Karl MacMillan
2007-01-29 18:55       ` Steve G
2007-01-29 19:22         ` Eamon Walsh
2007-01-29 19:22           ` Eamon Walsh
     [not found]           ` <45BE4971.6090601-+05T5uksL2qpZYMLLGbcSA@public.gmane.org>
2007-01-29 19:43             ` Karl MacMillan
2007-01-29 19:43               ` Karl MacMillan
2007-01-29 20:07               ` Eamon Walsh
2007-01-29 20:07                 ` Eamon Walsh
2007-01-29 20:56           ` Steve Grubb
2007-01-29 20:56             ` Steve Grubb
2007-01-29 21:16             ` Karl MacMillan
2007-01-29 21:16               ` Karl MacMillan
2007-01-29 22:49               ` Steve Grubb
2007-01-29 22:49                 ` Steve Grubb
2007-01-29 23:48                 ` Eamon Walsh
2007-01-29 23:48                   ` Eamon Walsh
     [not found]                   ` <45BE87E0.5090109-+05T5uksL2qpZYMLLGbcSA@public.gmane.org>
2007-01-30 12:25                     ` Russell Coker
2007-01-30 12:25                       ` Russell Coker
     [not found]                 ` <200701291749.21897.sgrubb-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-01-30 14:49                   ` Karl MacMillan
2007-01-30 14:49                     ` Karl MacMillan
2007-01-30 17:06                     ` Joshua Brindle
2007-01-30 17:06                       ` Joshua Brindle
2007-01-30 17:28                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-01-30 17:28                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-01-30 18:45                       ` Casey Schaufler
2007-01-30 18:45                         ` Casey Schaufler
2007-01-30 17:42                     ` Steve Grubb
2007-01-30 17:42                       ` Steve Grubb
2007-01-30 22:53                     ` James Antill
2007-01-30 22:53                       ` James Antill
     [not found]                       ` <1170197588.3373.28.camel-pBdgC7Q4sO52KDkfy0k2sw@public.gmane.org>
2007-01-31  0:50                         ` Karl MacMillan
2007-01-31  0:50                           ` Karl MacMillan
2007-01-31  5:29                           ` Joshua Brindle [this message]
2007-01-31  5:29                             ` Joshua Brindle
     [not found]                             ` <45C02948.9090607-5TQdPaFcblfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-01-31 22:59                               ` Russell Coker
2007-01-31 22:59                                 ` Russell Coker
2007-02-01 11:40                                 ` Steve Grubb
2007-02-01 11:40                                   ` Steve Grubb
2007-01-29 19:37         ` Stephen Smalley
2007-01-29 21:14           ` Steve G

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