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From: Peter Staubach <staubach@redhat.com>
To: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, hugh@veritas.com,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] update ctime and mtime for mmaped write
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:54:57 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <45DC9581.4070909@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1HJw7l-0003Tq-00@dorka.pomaz.szeredi.hu>

Miklos Szeredi wrote:
>>> Inspired by Peter Staubach's patch and the resulting comments.
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>> An updated version of the original patch was submitted to LKML
>> yesterday...  :-)
>>     
>
> Strange coincidence :)
>
>   
>>>  		file = vma->vm_file;
>>>  		start = vma->vm_end;
>>> +		mapping_update_time(file);
>>>  		if ((flags & MS_SYNC) && file &&
>>>  				(vma->vm_flags & VM_SHARED)) {
>>>  			get_file(file);
>>>   
>>>       
>> It seems to me that this might lead to file times being updated for
>> non-MAP_SHARED mappings.
>>     
>
> In theory no, because the COW-ed pages become anonymous and are not
> part of the original mapping any more.
>
>   

I must profess to having a incomplete understanding of all of this
support, but then why would it be necessary to test VM_SHARED at
this point in msync()?

I ran into problems early on with file times being updated incorrectly
so I am a little sensitive this aspect.

>>> +int set_page_dirty_mapping(struct page *page);
>>>   
>>>       
>> This aspect of the design seems intrusive to me.  I didn't see a strong
>> reason to introduce new versions of many of the routines just to handle
>> these semantics.  What motivated this part of your design?  Why the new
>> _mapping versions of routines?
>>     
>
> Because there's no way to know inside the set_page_dirty() functions
> if the dirtying comes from a memory mapping or from a modification
> through a normal write().  And they have different semantics, for
> write() the modification times are updated immediately.

Perhaps I didn't understand what page_mapped() does, but it does seem to
have the right semantics as far as I could see.

    Thanx...

       ps

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From: Peter Staubach <staubach@redhat.com>
To: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, hugh@veritas.com,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] update ctime and mtime for mmaped write
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:54:57 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <45DC9581.4070909@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1HJw7l-0003Tq-00@dorka.pomaz.szeredi.hu>

Miklos Szeredi wrote:
>>> Inspired by Peter Staubach's patch and the resulting comments.
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>> An updated version of the original patch was submitted to LKML
>> yesterday...  :-)
>>     
>
> Strange coincidence :)
>
>   
>>>  		file = vma->vm_file;
>>>  		start = vma->vm_end;
>>> +		mapping_update_time(file);
>>>  		if ((flags & MS_SYNC) && file &&
>>>  				(vma->vm_flags & VM_SHARED)) {
>>>  			get_file(file);
>>>   
>>>       
>> It seems to me that this might lead to file times being updated for
>> non-MAP_SHARED mappings.
>>     
>
> In theory no, because the COW-ed pages become anonymous and are not
> part of the original mapping any more.
>
>   

I must profess to having a incomplete understanding of all of this
support, but then why would it be necessary to test VM_SHARED at
this point in msync()?

I ran into problems early on with file times being updated incorrectly
so I am a little sensitive this aspect.

>>> +int set_page_dirty_mapping(struct page *page);
>>>   
>>>       
>> This aspect of the design seems intrusive to me.  I didn't see a strong
>> reason to introduce new versions of many of the routines just to handle
>> these semantics.  What motivated this part of your design?  Why the new
>> _mapping versions of routines?
>>     
>
> Because there's no way to know inside the set_page_dirty() functions
> if the dirtying comes from a memory mapping or from a modification
> through a normal write().  And they have different semantics, for
> write() the modification times are updated immediately.

Perhaps I didn't understand what page_mapped() does, but it does seem to
have the right semantics as far as I could see.

    Thanx...

       ps

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  reply	other threads:[~2007-02-21 18:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-02-21 17:51 [PATCH] update ctime and mtime for mmaped write Miklos Szeredi
2007-02-21 17:51 ` Miklos Szeredi, Miklos Szeredi
2007-02-21 18:07 ` Peter Staubach
2007-02-21 18:07   ` Peter Staubach
2007-02-21 18:23   ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-02-21 18:23     ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-02-21 18:54     ` Peter Staubach [this message]
2007-02-21 18:54       ` Peter Staubach
2007-02-21 19:07       ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-02-21 19:07         ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-02-22 17:36         ` Peter Staubach
2007-02-22 17:36           ` Peter Staubach
2007-02-22 18:16           ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-02-22 18:16             ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-02-22 20:11             ` Peter Staubach
2007-02-22 20:11               ` Peter Staubach
2007-02-22 20:43               ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-02-22 20:43                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-02-22 20:50                 ` Peter Staubach
2007-02-22 20:50                   ` Peter Staubach
2007-02-21 18:12 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-02-21 18:12   ` Trond Myklebust
2007-02-21 18:28   ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-02-21 18:28     ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-02-21 18:36     ` Trond Myklebust
2007-02-21 18:36       ` Trond Myklebust
2007-02-21 18:50       ` Peter Staubach
2007-02-21 18:50         ` Peter Staubach
2007-02-21 18:50       ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-02-21 18:50         ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-02-22  4:26 ` Andrew Morton
2007-02-22  4:26   ` Andrew Morton
2007-02-22  7:49   ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-02-22  7:49     ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-02-22 17:39     ` Peter Staubach
2007-02-22 17:39       ` Peter Staubach
2007-02-22 18:08       ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-02-22 18:08         ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-02-22 20:14         ` Peter Staubach
2007-02-22 20:14           ` Peter Staubach
2007-02-22 20:48           ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-02-22 20:48             ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-02-22 20:55             ` Peter Staubach
2007-02-22 20:55               ` Peter Staubach
2007-02-22 21:04             ` Trond Myklebust
2007-02-22 21:04               ` Trond Myklebust
2007-02-22 21:28               ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-02-22 21:28                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-02-22 21:52                 ` Peter Staubach
2007-02-22 21:52                   ` Peter Staubach
2007-02-22 22:08                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-02-22 22:08                     ` Miklos Szeredi

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