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From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Cc: Liviu Dudau <Liviu.Dudau@arm.com>,
	"devicetree@vger.kernel.org" <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	linaro-kernel <linaro-kernel@lists.linaro.org>,
	linux-pci <linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Will Deacon <Will.Deacon@arm.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>,
	Tanmay Inamdar <tinamdar@apm.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <Catalin.Marinas@arm.com>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 4/6] pci: Introduce a domain number for pci_host_bridge.
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 15:51:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4601983.fD0IEt2fVM@wuerfel> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140411092225.GW985@e106497-lin.cambridge.arm.com>

On Friday 11 April 2014 10:22:25 Liviu Dudau wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 09:46:36PM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > On Thursday 10 April 2014 15:53:04 Liviu Dudau wrote:
> > > So Arnd seems to agree with me: we should try to get out of architecture specific
> > > pci_sys_data and link the host bridge driver straight into the PCI core. The
> > > core then can call into arch code via pcibios_*() functions.
> > > 
> > > Arnd, am I reading correctly into what you are saying?
> > 
> > Half of it ;-)
> > 
> > I think it would be better to not have an architecture specific data
> > structure, just like it would be better not to have architecture specific
> > pcibios_* functions that get called by the PCI core. Note that the
> > architecture specific functions are the ones that rely on the architecture
> > specific data structures as well. If they only use the common fields,
> > it should also be possible to share the code.
> 
> While I've come to like the pcibios_*() interface (and yes, it could be
> formalised and abstracted into a pci_xxxx_ops structure) I don't like the fact
> that those functions use architectural data in order to function. I know it
> might sound strange, as they *are* supposed to be implemented by the arches,
> but in my mind the link between generic code and arch code for PCI should be
> done by the host bridge driver. That's how PCI spec describes it, and I see no
> reason why we should not be able to adopt the same view.

Yes, that's a good goal for the architectures that need the complexity.
I would also like to have a way to change as little as possible for
the architectures that don't care about this because they only have
one possible host controller implementation, which isn't necessarily
a conflict.

> To be more precise, what I would like to happen in the case of some functions
> would be for the PCI core code to call a pci_host_bridge_ops method which
> in turn will call the arch specific code if it needs to. Why I think that would
> be better? Because otherwise you put in the architectural side code to cope
> with a certain host bridge, then another host bridge comes in and you add
> more architectural code, but then when you port host bridge X to arch B you
> discover that you need to add code there as well for X. And it all ends up in
> the mess we currently have where the drivers in drivers/pci/host are not capable
> of being ported to a different architecture because they rely on infrastructure
> only present in arm32 that is not properly documented.

Right. Now it was intentional that we started putting the host drivers
into drivers/pci/host before cleaning it all up. We just had to start
somewhere.

> > I also don't realistically think we can get there on a lot of architectures
> > any time soon. Note that most architectures only have one PCI host
> > implementation, so the architecture structure is the same as the host
> > driver structure anyway.
> > 
> > For architectures like powerpc and arm that have people actively working
> > on them, we have a chance to clean up that code in the way we want it
> > (if we can agree on the direction), but it's still not trivial to do.
> > 
> > Speaking of arm32 in particular, I think we will end up with a split
> > approach: modern platforms (multiplatform, possibly all DT based) using
> > PCI core infrastructure directly and no architecture specific PCI
> > code on the one side, and a variation of today's code for the legacy
> > platforms on the other.
> 
> Actually, if we could come up with a compromise for the pci_fixup_*() functions
> (are they still used by functional hardware?)  then I think we could convert
> most of the arm32 arch code to re-direct the calls to the infrastructure code.

The fixups are used by hardware that we want to keep supporting, but I don't
see a problem there. None of them rely on the architecture specific PCI
implementation, and we could easily move the fixup code into a separate
file. Also, I suspect they are all used only on platforms that won't be
using CONFIG_ARCH_MULTIPLATFORM.

> But yes, there might be a lot of resistance to change due to lack of resources
> when changing old platforms.

Well, it should be trivial to just create a pci_host_bridge_ops structure
containing the currently global functions, and use that for everything
registered through pci_common_init_dev(). We definitely have to support
this method for things like iop/ixp/pxa/sa1100/footbridge, especially those
that have their own concept of PCI domains.

For the more modern multiplatform stuff that uses DT for probing and
has a driver in drivers/pci/host, we should be able to use completely
distinct pci_host_bridge_ops structure that can be shared with arm64.

	Arnd

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: arnd@arndb.de (Arnd Bergmann)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v7 4/6] pci: Introduce a domain number for pci_host_bridge.
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 15:51:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4601983.fD0IEt2fVM@wuerfel> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140411092225.GW985@e106497-lin.cambridge.arm.com>

On Friday 11 April 2014 10:22:25 Liviu Dudau wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 09:46:36PM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > On Thursday 10 April 2014 15:53:04 Liviu Dudau wrote:
> > > So Arnd seems to agree with me: we should try to get out of architecture specific
> > > pci_sys_data and link the host bridge driver straight into the PCI core. The
> > > core then can call into arch code via pcibios_*() functions.
> > > 
> > > Arnd, am I reading correctly into what you are saying?
> > 
> > Half of it ;-)
> > 
> > I think it would be better to not have an architecture specific data
> > structure, just like it would be better not to have architecture specific
> > pcibios_* functions that get called by the PCI core. Note that the
> > architecture specific functions are the ones that rely on the architecture
> > specific data structures as well. If they only use the common fields,
> > it should also be possible to share the code.
> 
> While I've come to like the pcibios_*() interface (and yes, it could be
> formalised and abstracted into a pci_xxxx_ops structure) I don't like the fact
> that those functions use architectural data in order to function. I know it
> might sound strange, as they *are* supposed to be implemented by the arches,
> but in my mind the link between generic code and arch code for PCI should be
> done by the host bridge driver. That's how PCI spec describes it, and I see no
> reason why we should not be able to adopt the same view.

Yes, that's a good goal for the architectures that need the complexity.
I would also like to have a way to change as little as possible for
the architectures that don't care about this because they only have
one possible host controller implementation, which isn't necessarily
a conflict.

> To be more precise, what I would like to happen in the case of some functions
> would be for the PCI core code to call a pci_host_bridge_ops method which
> in turn will call the arch specific code if it needs to. Why I think that would
> be better? Because otherwise you put in the architectural side code to cope
> with a certain host bridge, then another host bridge comes in and you add
> more architectural code, but then when you port host bridge X to arch B you
> discover that you need to add code there as well for X. And it all ends up in
> the mess we currently have where the drivers in drivers/pci/host are not capable
> of being ported to a different architecture because they rely on infrastructure
> only present in arm32 that is not properly documented.

Right. Now it was intentional that we started putting the host drivers
into drivers/pci/host before cleaning it all up. We just had to start
somewhere.

> > I also don't realistically think we can get there on a lot of architectures
> > any time soon. Note that most architectures only have one PCI host
> > implementation, so the architecture structure is the same as the host
> > driver structure anyway.
> > 
> > For architectures like powerpc and arm that have people actively working
> > on them, we have a chance to clean up that code in the way we want it
> > (if we can agree on the direction), but it's still not trivial to do.
> > 
> > Speaking of arm32 in particular, I think we will end up with a split
> > approach: modern platforms (multiplatform, possibly all DT based) using
> > PCI core infrastructure directly and no architecture specific PCI
> > code on the one side, and a variation of today's code for the legacy
> > platforms on the other.
> 
> Actually, if we could come up with a compromise for the pci_fixup_*() functions
> (are they still used by functional hardware?)  then I think we could convert
> most of the arm32 arch code to re-direct the calls to the infrastructure code.

The fixups are used by hardware that we want to keep supporting, but I don't
see a problem there. None of them rely on the architecture specific PCI
implementation, and we could easily move the fixup code into a separate
file. Also, I suspect they are all used only on platforms that won't be
using CONFIG_ARCH_MULTIPLATFORM.

> But yes, there might be a lot of resistance to change due to lack of resources
> when changing old platforms.

Well, it should be trivial to just create a pci_host_bridge_ops structure
containing the currently global functions, and use that for everything
registered through pci_common_init_dev(). We definitely have to support
this method for things like iop/ixp/pxa/sa1100/footbridge, especially those
that have their own concept of PCI domains.

For the more modern multiplatform stuff that uses DT for probing and
has a driver in drivers/pci/host, we should be able to use completely
distinct pci_host_bridge_ops structure that can be shared with arm64.

	Arnd

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Cc: "devicetree@vger.kernel.org" <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	linaro-kernel <linaro-kernel@lists.linaro.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <Catalin.Marinas@arm.com>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Liviu Dudau <Liviu.Dudau@arm.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Will Deacon <Will.Deacon@arm.com>,
	Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>,
	Tanmay Inamdar <tinamdar@apm.com>,
	linux-pci <linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 4/6] pci: Introduce a domain number for pci_host_bridge.
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 15:51:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4601983.fD0IEt2fVM@wuerfel> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140411092225.GW985@e106497-lin.cambridge.arm.com>

On Friday 11 April 2014 10:22:25 Liviu Dudau wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 09:46:36PM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > On Thursday 10 April 2014 15:53:04 Liviu Dudau wrote:
> > > So Arnd seems to agree with me: we should try to get out of architecture specific
> > > pci_sys_data and link the host bridge driver straight into the PCI core. The
> > > core then can call into arch code via pcibios_*() functions.
> > > 
> > > Arnd, am I reading correctly into what you are saying?
> > 
> > Half of it ;-)
> > 
> > I think it would be better to not have an architecture specific data
> > structure, just like it would be better not to have architecture specific
> > pcibios_* functions that get called by the PCI core. Note that the
> > architecture specific functions are the ones that rely on the architecture
> > specific data structures as well. If they only use the common fields,
> > it should also be possible to share the code.
> 
> While I've come to like the pcibios_*() interface (and yes, it could be
> formalised and abstracted into a pci_xxxx_ops structure) I don't like the fact
> that those functions use architectural data in order to function. I know it
> might sound strange, as they *are* supposed to be implemented by the arches,
> but in my mind the link between generic code and arch code for PCI should be
> done by the host bridge driver. That's how PCI spec describes it, and I see no
> reason why we should not be able to adopt the same view.

Yes, that's a good goal for the architectures that need the complexity.
I would also like to have a way to change as little as possible for
the architectures that don't care about this because they only have
one possible host controller implementation, which isn't necessarily
a conflict.

> To be more precise, what I would like to happen in the case of some functions
> would be for the PCI core code to call a pci_host_bridge_ops method which
> in turn will call the arch specific code if it needs to. Why I think that would
> be better? Because otherwise you put in the architectural side code to cope
> with a certain host bridge, then another host bridge comes in and you add
> more architectural code, but then when you port host bridge X to arch B you
> discover that you need to add code there as well for X. And it all ends up in
> the mess we currently have where the drivers in drivers/pci/host are not capable
> of being ported to a different architecture because they rely on infrastructure
> only present in arm32 that is not properly documented.

Right. Now it was intentional that we started putting the host drivers
into drivers/pci/host before cleaning it all up. We just had to start
somewhere.

> > I also don't realistically think we can get there on a lot of architectures
> > any time soon. Note that most architectures only have one PCI host
> > implementation, so the architecture structure is the same as the host
> > driver structure anyway.
> > 
> > For architectures like powerpc and arm that have people actively working
> > on them, we have a chance to clean up that code in the way we want it
> > (if we can agree on the direction), but it's still not trivial to do.
> > 
> > Speaking of arm32 in particular, I think we will end up with a split
> > approach: modern platforms (multiplatform, possibly all DT based) using
> > PCI core infrastructure directly and no architecture specific PCI
> > code on the one side, and a variation of today's code for the legacy
> > platforms on the other.
> 
> Actually, if we could come up with a compromise for the pci_fixup_*() functions
> (are they still used by functional hardware?)  then I think we could convert
> most of the arm32 arch code to re-direct the calls to the infrastructure code.

The fixups are used by hardware that we want to keep supporting, but I don't
see a problem there. None of them rely on the architecture specific PCI
implementation, and we could easily move the fixup code into a separate
file. Also, I suspect they are all used only on platforms that won't be
using CONFIG_ARCH_MULTIPLATFORM.

> But yes, there might be a lot of resistance to change due to lack of resources
> when changing old platforms.

Well, it should be trivial to just create a pci_host_bridge_ops structure
containing the currently global functions, and use that for everything
registered through pci_common_init_dev(). We definitely have to support
this method for things like iop/ixp/pxa/sa1100/footbridge, especially those
that have their own concept of PCI domains.

For the more modern multiplatform stuff that uses DT for probing and
has a driver in drivers/pci/host, we should be able to use completely
distinct pci_host_bridge_ops structure that can be shared with arm64.

	Arnd

  reply	other threads:[~2014-04-11 13:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 177+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-03-14 15:34 [PATCH v7 0/6] Support for creating generic host_bridge from device tree Liviu Dudau
2014-03-14 15:34 ` Liviu Dudau
2014-03-14 15:34 ` [PATCH v7 1/6] pci: Introduce pci_register_io_range() helper function Liviu Dudau
2014-03-14 15:34   ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-05  0:19   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-04-05  0:19     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-04-05  0:19     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-04-06  9:49     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-04-06  9:49       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-04-06  9:49       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-04-07  8:35       ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-07  8:35         ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-07  8:35         ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-07  9:13         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-04-07  9:13           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-04-07  9:13           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-04-07 11:16           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-04-07 11:16             ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-04-07 11:16             ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-04-07  8:31     ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-07  8:31       ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-07  8:31       ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-07 11:36       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-04-07 11:36         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-04-07 11:36         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-04-07 13:42         ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-07 13:42           ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-07 13:42           ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-07 17:58         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-04-07 17:58           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-04-07 17:58           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-04-08  9:50           ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-08  9:50             ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-08 10:22             ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-04-08 10:22               ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-04-08 16:54               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-04-08 16:54                 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-06-26  8:59           ` Catalin Marinas
2014-06-26  8:59             ` Catalin Marinas
2014-06-26  9:30             ` Liviu Dudau
2014-06-26  9:30               ` Liviu Dudau
2014-06-26 14:11               ` Catalin Marinas
2014-06-26 14:11                 ` Catalin Marinas
2014-06-26 14:11                 ` Catalin Marinas
2014-06-26 14:14                 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-26 14:14                   ` Will Deacon
2014-06-27  0:44             ` Rob Herring
2014-06-27  0:44               ` Rob Herring
2014-06-27 11:03               ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-27 11:03                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-27 12:49                 ` Will Deacon
2014-06-27 12:49                   ` Will Deacon
2014-06-27 13:16                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-27 13:16                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-06-27 13:38                     ` Catalin Marinas
2014-06-27 13:38                       ` Catalin Marinas
2014-06-27 13:38                       ` Catalin Marinas
2014-06-27 16:15                   ` Rob Herring
2014-06-27 16:15                     ` Rob Herring
2014-06-30 10:17                     ` Will Deacon
2014-06-30 10:17                       ` Will Deacon
2014-06-27 14:14               ` Catalin Marinas
2014-06-27 14:14                 ` Catalin Marinas
2014-06-27 14:14                 ` Catalin Marinas
2014-06-27 14:55                 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-06-27 14:55                   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-06-27 15:18                   ` Liviu Dudau
2014-06-27 15:18                     ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-07 23:21   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-04-07 23:21     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-04-08  7:12     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-04-08  7:12       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-04-08  9:49     ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-08  9:49       ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-08 10:11       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-04-08 10:11         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-04-08 16:48         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-04-08 16:48           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-03-14 15:34 ` [PATCH v7 2/6] pci: OF: Fix the conversion of IO ranges into IO resources Liviu Dudau
2014-03-14 15:34   ` Liviu Dudau
2014-03-14 17:05   ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-03-14 17:05     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-03-14 17:05     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-03-14 17:19     ` Liviu Dudau
2014-03-14 17:19       ` Liviu Dudau
2014-03-14 17:19       ` Liviu Dudau
2014-03-14 18:46       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-03-14 18:46         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-03-14 19:00         ` Liviu Dudau
2014-03-14 19:00           ` Liviu Dudau
2014-03-14 19:16           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-03-14 19:16             ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-03-14 19:16             ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-03-17 13:41             ` Liviu Dudau
2014-03-17 13:41               ` Liviu Dudau
2014-03-14 15:34 ` [PATCH v7 3/6] pci: Create pci_host_bridge before its associated bus in pci_create_root_bus Liviu Dudau
2014-03-14 15:34   ` Liviu Dudau
2014-03-14 15:34 ` [PATCH v7 4/6] pci: Introduce a domain number for pci_host_bridge Liviu Dudau
2014-03-14 15:34   ` Liviu Dudau
2014-03-14 15:34   ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-05  0:00   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-04-05  0:00     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-04-07  8:46     ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-07  8:46       ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-07  9:14       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-04-07  9:14         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-04-07  9:14         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-04-07 10:07         ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-07 10:07           ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-07 10:07           ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-07 22:44           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-04-07 22:44             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-04-08 10:20             ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-08 10:20               ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-08 16:28               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-04-08 16:28                 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-04-08 16:28                 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-04-09 12:07                 ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-09 12:07                   ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-09 14:02                   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-04-09 14:02                     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-04-09 14:08                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-04-09 14:08                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-04-09 23:49                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-04-09 23:49                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-04-10  1:27                     ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-10  1:27                       ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-10  1:27                       ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-10  3:48                       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-04-10  3:48                         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-04-10  8:00                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-04-10  8:00                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-04-10  8:00                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-04-10 13:50                           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-04-10 13:50                             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-04-10 14:07                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-04-10 14:07                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-04-10 14:07                               ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-04-10 14:53                               ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-10 14:53                                 ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-10 14:53                                 ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-10 20:46                                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-04-10 20:46                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-04-11  5:01                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-04-11  5:01                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-04-11  8:36                                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-04-11  8:36                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-04-11  9:16                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-04-11  9:16                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-04-11  9:22                                   ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-11  9:22                                     ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-11 13:51                                     ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2014-04-11 13:51                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-04-11 13:51                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-07-01 16:37             ` Liviu Dudau
2014-07-01 16:37               ` Liviu Dudau
2014-07-04 14:57             ` Liviu Dudau
2014-07-04 14:57               ` Liviu Dudau
2014-07-08  1:11               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-07-08  1:11                 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-07-08 10:21                 ` Liviu Dudau
2014-07-08 10:21                   ` Liviu Dudau
2014-03-14 15:34 ` [PATCH v7 5/6] pci: Export find_pci_host_bridge() function Liviu Dudau
2014-03-14 15:34   ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-04 23:39   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-04-04 23:39     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2014-04-07 14:20     ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-07 14:20       ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-07 14:38       ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-04-07 14:38         ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-04-07 14:38         ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-03-14 15:34 ` [PATCH v7 6/6] pci: Add support for creating a generic host_bridge from device tree Liviu Dudau
2014-03-14 15:34   ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-08 12:57   ` Hanjun Guo
2014-04-08 12:57     ` Hanjun Guo
2014-04-08 13:09     ` Liviu Dudau
2014-04-08 13:09       ` Liviu Dudau

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