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From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
To: Mark Rustad <mrustad@gmail.com>
Cc: Justin Piszcz <jpiszcz@lucidpixels.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	IDE/ATA development list <linux-ide@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Why is NCQ enabled by default by libata? (2.6.20)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:38:50 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <460964BA.8090101@garzik.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ACBD2F44-03C7-49BE-9A2F-ABF7078BCC5E@gmail.com>

Mark Rustad wrote:
> reorder any queued operations. Of course if you really care about your 
> data, you don't really want to turn write cache on.

That's a gross exaggeration.  FLUSH CACHE and FUA both ensure data 
integrity as well.

Turning write cache off has always been a performance-killing action on ATA.


> Also the controller used can have unfortunate interactions. For example 
> the Adaptec SAS controller firmware will never issue more than two 
> queued commands to a SATA drive (even though the firmware will happily 
> accept more from the driver), so even if an attached drive is capable of 
> reordering queued commands, its performance is seriously crippled by not 
> getting more commands queued up. In addition, some drive firmware seems 
> to try to bunch up queued command completions which interacts very badly 
> with a controller that queues up so few commands. In this case turning 
> NCQ off performs better because the drive knows it can't hold off 
> completions to reduce interrupt load on the host – a good idea gone 
> totally wrong when used with the Adaptec controller.

All of that can be fixed with an Adaptec firmware upgrade, so not our 
problem here, and not a reason to disable NCQ in libata core.


> Today SATA NCQ seems to be an area where few combinations work well. It 
> seems so bad to me that a whitelist might be better than a blacklist. 
> That is probably overstating it, but NCQ performance is certainly a big 
> problem.

Real world testing disagrees with you.  NCQ has been enabled for a while 
now.  We would have screaming hordes of users if the majority of 
configurations were problematic.

	Jeff



  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-27 18:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-03-24 16:38 Why is NCQ enabled by default by libata? (2.6.20) Justin Piszcz
2007-03-24 18:43 ` Alan Cox
2007-03-27  9:55   ` Justin Piszcz
2007-03-27 10:10     ` Tejun Heo
2007-03-27 10:30       ` Justin Piszcz
2007-03-27  5:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-03-27 14:26   ` Mark Lord
2007-03-27 18:18   ` Mark Rustad
2007-03-27 18:38     ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2007-03-27 22:12       ` Mark Rustad
2007-03-31 12:55         ` Ric Wheeler
     [not found] <fa.MhN9pBMjZID4rnTNn+fU01uZiss@ifi.uio.no>
2007-03-24 22:11 ` Robert Hancock
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-03-27 16:16 linux
2007-03-27 16:25 ` Justin Piszcz
2007-03-27 16:41   ` linux
2007-03-27 16:44     ` Justin Piszcz
2007-03-27 16:58       ` linux
2007-03-27 17:03         ` Justin Piszcz
2007-03-28 14:42   ` Phillip Susi
2007-03-28 14:48     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-03-28 15:22       ` Andy Warner
2007-03-29 17:28       ` Phillip Susi
2007-03-29 18:40         ` linux
2007-03-29 18:51         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-03-29 21:35         ` Alan Cox
2007-03-29 21:47         ` David Schwartz
2007-03-30 16:33           ` Lennart Sorensen
     [not found] <fa.NmF2xJwO4BeVbJrFRkf7oV9EYmQ@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.39luedDWsoqip+QMNtfAv8jvyNg@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]   ` <fa.b1cZfpMNhZ0teK/UauKLDWw60Jc@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]     ` <fa.xWaBy6HZTRTgI+PxinV8ajuOlJI@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]       ` <fa.BiSx71HKysC9QIpS8DLip5BmfxI@ifi.uio.no>
2007-04-01 17:28         ` Robert Hancock

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