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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/13] maps: pagemap, kpagemap, and related cleanups
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:25:59 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <461ECE17.9050001@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070412234209.GO2986@holomorphy.com>

William Lee Irwin III wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:10:50 -0700 William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com> wrote:
> 
>>>This solves a real-life problem for Oracle system monitoring software
>>>(specifically EM). Among the tasks it must carry out is determining
>>>per-process memory footprint of a set of cooperating tasks (i.e. Oracle
>>>processes). RSS is inadequate for this due to page sharing; this work
>>>provides sufficient information to determine what EM needs.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 04:32:35PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> 
>>Not a good idea to expose raw flags in this manner - it changes at the drop
>>of a hat.  We'd need to also expose the kernel's PG_foo-to-bitnumber
>>mapping to make this viable.
>>Not a good idea to use page->_count: page_count() will be more stable. 
>>Otherwise OK, I guess: the interpretation of the page refcount is unlikely
>>to change much over time.
> 
> 
> EM wants to determine page_mapcount() for the most part for the
> purposes of determining "uniquely attributable RSS" (my ca. 2004
> nomenclature) or "proportional RSS" (mpm's more recent nomenclature);
> as things now stand it will have to infer them by maintaining a table
> of pfn's and mappings thereof, but at least that can be done with it.

I don't know whether you can easily determine page_mapcount with
page_count and flags, though (count gives you an educated guess,
but mapcount is the real thing).

page_mapcount sounds very reasonable to export. It is directly
tied with the userspace concept of mapping pages. page_count doesn't
seem very useful (and if you must have it, please use page_count),
neither does page flags.

You could have a bit indicating whether the page is free or not (but
that doesn't tell you much that meminfo or zoneinfo or buddyinfo does
not). Dirty/writeback/referenced/uptodate maybe?... I'm stumped,
what's flags for?

-- 
SUSE Labs, Novell Inc.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-04-13  0:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-04  2:43 [PATCH 0/13] maps: pagemap, kpagemap, and related cleanups Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 1/13] maps: Uninline some functions in the page walker Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 2/13] maps: Eliminate the pmd_walker struct " Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 3/13] maps: Remove vma from args " Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 4/13] maps: Propagate errors from callback in " Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 5/13] maps: Add callbacks for each level to " Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 6/13] maps: Move the page walker code to lib/ Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  3:51   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  5:08     ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  5:50       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04 21:48         ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-05  1:32           ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-05  1:50             ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 7/13] maps: Simplify interdependence of /proc/pid/maps and smaps Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 8/13] maps: Move clear_refs code to task_mmu.c Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 9/13] maps: Regroup task_mmu by interface Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 10/13] maps: Make /proc/pid/smaps optional under CONFIG_EMBEDDED Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 11/13] maps: Make /proc/pid/clear_refs option " Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  6:22   ` David Rientjes
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 12/13] maps: Add /proc/pid/pagemap interface Matt Mackall
2007-04-04 11:18   ` Nikita Danilov
2007-04-04 16:32     ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-04 18:03       ` Nikita Danilov
2007-04-04 21:59         ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-04  2:43 ` [PATCH 13/13] maps: Add /proc/kpagemap interface Matt Mackall
2007-04-12 23:10 ` [PATCH 0/13] maps: pagemap, kpagemap, and related cleanups William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-12 23:32   ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-12 23:42     ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-13  0:25       ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2007-04-13  0:15     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  0:25       ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-13  1:01         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  1:38           ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-13  2:11             ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  0:42       ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-13  1:14         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  1:22           ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-13  1:42             ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  1:57               ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-13  2:21                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  2:23                   ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-13  2:54                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13 12:24                       ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2007-04-14  8:13                     ` Maneesh Soni
2007-04-13  1:57               ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-13  2:05                 ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-13  2:29                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  2:18                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  2:32                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-13  2:50                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  3:10                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  6:53                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-13  7:05                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  7:51                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-13  8:03                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  8:13                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-13  8:25                                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  9:46                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-13 21:17                                 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2007-04-16 10:59                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-16 21:36                                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-04-16 21:01                                   ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2007-04-13  8:15                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-13 12:13                       ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2007-04-13 12:46                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  3:40                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  6:55                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-13  7:03                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-13  7:08                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-04-13 14:08                       ` Theodore Tso
2007-04-16 11:00                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-13 17:13                   ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-13 16:24         ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-13 17:03           ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-13 17:24             ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-13 17:58               ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-13  0:15     ` Matt Mackall

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