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From: Marko Macek <marko.macek@gmx.net>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "John Anthony Kazos Jr." <jakj@j-a-k-j.com>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comatose when FS is under heavy write load (massive starvation)
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 21:43:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4632527C.6090509@gmx.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.0.98.0704270852480.9964@woody.linux-foundation.org>

Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 27 Apr 2007, John Anthony Kazos Jr. wrote:
>> Could[/should] this stuff be changed from ratios to amounts? Or a quick 
>> boot-time test to use a ratio if the memory is small and an amount (like 
>> tax brackets, I would expect) if it's great?
> 
> Yes, the "percentage" thing was likely wrong. That said, there *is* some 
> correlation between "lots of memory" and "high-end machine", and that in 
> turn tends to correlate with "fast disk", so I don't think the percentage 
> approach is really *horribly* wrong.
> 
> The main issue with the percentage is that we do export them as such 
> through the /proc/ interface, and they are easy to change and understand. 
> So changing them to amounts is non-trivial if you also want to support the 
> old interfaces - and the advantage isn't obvious enough that it's a 
> clear-cut case.

I wonder if it would be useful if the limit was 'data we can write out 
in 1 (configurable) second. This would typically mean either one 50mb 
(depending on disk) contigous block or 100-200 scattered blocks (since 
the typical disk latency is about 5-10ms).

Has anyone tried something like this?

Mark

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-04-27 19:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-27  7:59 [ext3][kernels >= 2.6.20.7 at least] KDE going comatose when FS is under heavy write load (massive starvation) Mike Galbraith
2007-04-27  8:33 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27  9:23   ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-27 10:17   ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-27 11:59   ` Marat Buharov
2007-04-27 12:30     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-27 13:50       ` Mark Lord
2007-04-27 12:39     ` Manoj Joseph
2007-04-27 15:30     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-27 19:31       ` Andreas Dilger
2007-04-27 19:44         ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-27 19:50         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-27 20:05           ` Hua Zhong
2007-04-27 20:12           ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2007-04-27 20:12           ` Bill Huey
2007-04-28  5:37             ` Mikulas Patocka
2007-04-28  5:45               ` Mikulas Patocka
2007-04-28 21:57               ` Bill Huey
2007-04-28 22:38                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2007-04-27 20:29           ` Gabriel C
2007-04-27 20:45           ` Stephen Clark
2007-04-27 20:54           ` Manoj Joseph
2007-04-28  8:45           ` Matthias Andree
2007-04-27 22:18         ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-03 17:38           ` Alex Tomas
2007-05-03 23:54             ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-04  6:18               ` Alex Tomas
2007-05-04  6:38                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-04  6:57                   ` Alex Tomas
2007-05-04  7:18                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-05-04  7:39                       ` Alex Tomas
2007-05-04  8:02                         ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-16 18:20                           ` Alex Tomas
2007-08-16 18:46                             ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-17  2:24                               ` Alex Tomas
2007-08-17  6:52                                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-17  8:36                                   ` Alex Tomas
2007-08-17  9:02                                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-17 18:42                                       ` Alex Tomas
2007-04-28  8:44       ` Matthias Andree
2007-04-28 20:46   ` Mikulas Patocka
2007-04-28 21:12     ` Lee Revell
2007-04-29 20:49       ` Mark Lord
2007-04-29 21:17       ` Mikulas Patocka
2007-04-27 15:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-27 15:41   ` John Anthony Kazos Jr.
2007-04-27 15:54     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-27 16:24       ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-04-27 19:43       ` Marko Macek [this message]
2007-04-27 18:31   ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27 19:09     ` Zan Lynx
2007-04-27 22:07       ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-27 19:27     ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-28  8:51     ` Matthias Andree
2007-04-28  8:59       ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28 16:30       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-28 16:56         ` Paolo Ornati
2007-04-27 19:28   ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-27 20:06   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-27 21:22     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-28  4:25   ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-28  6:32     ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-28  7:01       ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-28  7:12         ` Mike Galbraith
2007-04-28  6:32   ` Mikulas Patocka
2007-04-28 16:05     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-28 16:37       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-28 17:11         ` Mikulas Patocka
2007-04-30  6:57           ` Jens Axboe
2007-04-28 17:55       ` Mikulas Patocka
2007-04-30  6:56       ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-02  6:53   ` Jens Axboe
2007-05-02  7:36     ` Mike Galbraith

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