Re: [Printing-architecture] LinuxPrinting.com naming

Re: [Printing-architecture] LinuxPrinting.com naming

[Till Kamppeter]

Yes, it has the advantages you mentioned, and the part of the project 
most known to users had the name linuxprinting.org.

Disadvantages are that we are renaming a project again after short time 
and this means changing back all texts on the site, distros have to 
rename the packages again, confusing the users, changing names in 
OpenPrinting APIs (or leaving traces of all project names in the APIs 
with the time) ...

So I want to ask the OpenPrinting workgroup members about whether we 
should rename or not. Or whether we should agree on the name on the next 
  OpenPrinting Steering Committee meeting. So anyone of the OP folks, WDYT?

    Till


Dan Kohn wrote:
> Till, I apologize in advance if you see this request as a reversal.
> 
> Anyway, Amanda and I both think that the LinuxPrinting name is much 
> stronger and more compelling than OpenPrinting.  The term "open" has 
> been overused so much that it is almost meaningless at this point.  I 
> appreciate that LinuxPrinting provides drivers for BSD, Solaris, OS X, 
> etc. (and we want it to continue to do so), but just as the Linux 
> Foundation and Linux Standard Base work on an array of issues but have a 
> Linux focus at their core, so does LinuxPrinting.  Would you be willing 
> to change the branding of your website and working group?
> 
>            - dan
> --Dan Kohn <mailto:dan@dankohn.com>
> COO, The Linux Foundation <http://www.linux-foundation.org>
> <http://www.dankohn.com/>  <tel:+1-415-233-1000>
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Printing-architecture] LinuxPrinting.com naming

[Ira McDonald]

Hi,

<OP Chair hat on> There is a very strong negative feeling among many
of the OP WG chairs whose companies do NOT ship Linux that we should
keep the name "Open Printing" (which we've always had from the outset
six years ago), to indicate that the scope is POSIX (not just Linux) for
our APIs and components.

We can change the name, but it's likely to lose us several working
group chairs and my immediate predecessor as OP Steering
Committee chair, Norm Jacobs (Sun Solaris).

Cheers,
- Ira

On 5/18/07, Till Kamppeter <till.kamppeter@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, it has the advantages you mentioned, and the part of the project
> most known to users had the name linuxprinting.org.
>
> Disadvantages are that we are renaming a project again after short time
> and this means changing back all texts on the site, distros have to
> rename the packages again, confusing the users, changing names in
> OpenPrinting APIs (or leaving traces of all project names in the APIs
> with the time) ...
>
> So I want to ask the OpenPrinting workgroup members about whether we
> should rename or not. Or whether we should agree on the name on the next
>   OpenPrinting Steering Committee meeting. So anyone of the OP folks, WDYT?
>
>     Till
>
>
> Dan Kohn wrote:
> > Till, I apologize in advance if you see this request as a reversal.
> >
> > Anyway, Amanda and I both think that the LinuxPrinting name is much
> > stronger and more compelling than OpenPrinting.  The term "open" has
> > been overused so much that it is almost meaningless at this point.  I
> > appreciate that LinuxPrinting provides drivers for BSD, Solaris, OS X,
> > etc. (and we want it to continue to do so), but just as the Linux
> > Foundation and Linux Standard Base work on an array of issues but have a
> > Linux focus at their core, so does LinuxPrinting.  Would you be willing
> > to change the branding of your website and working group?
> >
> >            - dan
> > --Dan Kohn <mailto:dan@dankohn.com>
> > COO, The Linux Foundation <http://www.linux-foundation.org>
> > <http://www.dankohn.com/>  <tel:+1-415-233-1000>
> >
> >
> >
>
>


-- 
Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839
phone: +1-906-494-2434
email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com

Re: [Printing-architecture] LinuxPrinting.com naming

[Till Kamppeter]

Dan wants to rename the OpenPrinting project (the whole project, what we 
have done the last 6 years as FSG OpenPrinting and what I have done in 
the last 6 years as linuxprinting.org) from OpenPrinting to 
LinuxPrinting, due to being the Linux Foundation, having the Linux 
Standards Base, ...

    Till

Norm Jacobs wrote:
> 
> Apparently, I missed the context of Dan Kohn's message.  What *exacly* 
> is being proposed here?
> 
>    -Norm
> 
> Ira McDonald wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> <OP Chair hat on> There is a very strong negative feeling among many
>> of the OP WG chairs whose companies do NOT ship Linux that we should
>> keep the name "Open Printing" (which we've always had from the outset
>> six years ago), to indicate that the scope is POSIX (not just Linux) for
>> our APIs and components.
>>
>> We can change the name, but it's likely to lose us several working
>> group chairs and my immediate predecessor as OP Steering
>> Committee chair, Norm Jacobs (Sun Solaris).
>>
>> Cheers,
>> - Ira
>>
>> On 5/18/07, Till Kamppeter <till.kamppeter@gmail.com> wrote:
>>  
>>> Yes, it has the advantages you mentioned, and the part of the project
>>> most known to users had the name linuxprinting.org.
>>>
>>> Disadvantages are that we are renaming a project again after short time
>>> and this means changing back all texts on the site, distros have to
>>> rename the packages again, confusing the users, changing names in
>>> OpenPrinting APIs (or leaving traces of all project names in the APIs
>>> with the time) ...
>>>
>>> So I want to ask the OpenPrinting workgroup members about whether we
>>> should rename or not. Or whether we should agree on the name on the next
>>>   OpenPrinting Steering Committee meeting. So anyone of the OP folks, 
>>> WDYT?
>>>
>>>     Till
>>>
>>>
>>> Dan Kohn wrote:
>>>    
>>>> Till, I apologize in advance if you see this request as a reversal.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, Amanda and I both think that the LinuxPrinting name is much
>>>> stronger and more compelling than OpenPrinting.  The term "open" has
>>>> been overused so much that it is almost meaningless at this point.  I
>>>> appreciate that LinuxPrinting provides drivers for BSD, Solaris, OS X,
>>>> etc. (and we want it to continue to do so), but just as the Linux
>>>> Foundation and Linux Standard Base work on an array of issues but 
>>>> have a
>>>> Linux focus at their core, so does LinuxPrinting.  Would you be willing
>>>> to change the branding of your website and working group?
>>>>
>>>>            - dan
>>>> --Dan Kohn <mailto:dan@dankohn.com>
>>>> COO, The Linux Foundation <http://www.linux-foundation.org>
>>>> <http://www.dankohn.com/>  <tel:+1-415-233-1000>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       
>>>     
>>
>>
>>   
> 
> 

Re: [Printing-architecture] LinuxPrinting.com naming

[Norm Jacobs]

Apparently, I missed the context of Dan Kohn's message.  What *exacly* 
is being proposed here?

    -Norm

Ira McDonald wrote:
> Hi,
>
> <OP Chair hat on> There is a very strong negative feeling among many
> of the OP WG chairs whose companies do NOT ship Linux that we should
> keep the name "Open Printing" (which we've always had from the outset
> six years ago), to indicate that the scope is POSIX (not just Linux) for
> our APIs and components.
>
> We can change the name, but it's likely to lose us several working
> group chairs and my immediate predecessor as OP Steering
> Committee chair, Norm Jacobs (Sun Solaris).
>
> Cheers,
> - Ira
>
> On 5/18/07, Till Kamppeter <till.kamppeter@gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Yes, it has the advantages you mentioned, and the part of the project
>> most known to users had the name linuxprinting.org.
>>
>> Disadvantages are that we are renaming a project again after short time
>> and this means changing back all texts on the site, distros have to
>> rename the packages again, confusing the users, changing names in
>> OpenPrinting APIs (or leaving traces of all project names in the APIs
>> with the time) ...
>>
>> So I want to ask the OpenPrinting workgroup members about whether we
>> should rename or not. Or whether we should agree on the name on the next
>>   OpenPrinting Steering Committee meeting. So anyone of the OP folks, WDYT?
>>
>>     Till
>>
>>
>> Dan Kohn wrote:
>>     
>>> Till, I apologize in advance if you see this request as a reversal.
>>>
>>> Anyway, Amanda and I both think that the LinuxPrinting name is much
>>> stronger and more compelling than OpenPrinting.  The term "open" has
>>> been overused so much that it is almost meaningless at this point.  I
>>> appreciate that LinuxPrinting provides drivers for BSD, Solaris, OS X,
>>> etc. (and we want it to continue to do so), but just as the Linux
>>> Foundation and Linux Standard Base work on an array of issues but have a
>>> Linux focus at their core, so does LinuxPrinting.  Would you be willing
>>> to change the branding of your website and working group?
>>>
>>>            - dan
>>> --Dan Kohn <mailto:dan@dankohn.com>
>>> COO, The Linux Foundation <http://www.linux-foundation.org>
>>> <http://www.dankohn.com/>  <tel:+1-415-233-1000>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>     
>
>
>   

Re: [Printing-architecture] LinuxPrinting.com naming

[Jim Zemlin]

All:

I suggest we focus on the work and not the name right now.      This  
can be a topic for discussion at our member meeting in June.    This  
isn't worth spending a lot of time discussing right now.

Thanks,

Jim


On May 21, 2007, at 5:43 PM, Norm Jacobs wrote:

>
> Apparently, I missed the context of Dan Kohn's message.  What *exacly*
> is being proposed here?
>
>     -Norm
>
> Ira McDonald wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> <OP Chair hat on> There is a very strong negative feeling among many
>> of the OP WG chairs whose companies do NOT ship Linux that we should
>> keep the name "Open Printing" (which we've always had from the outset
>> six years ago), to indicate that the scope is POSIX (not just  
>> Linux) for
>> our APIs and components.
>>
>> We can change the name, but it's likely to lose us several working
>> group chairs and my immediate predecessor as OP Steering
>> Committee chair, Norm Jacobs (Sun Solaris).
>>
>> Cheers,
>> - Ira
>>
>> On 5/18/07, Till Kamppeter <till.kamppeter@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, it has the advantages you mentioned, and the part of the  
>>> project
>>> most known to users had the name linuxprinting.org.
>>>
>>> Disadvantages are that we are renaming a project again after  
>>> short time
>>> and this means changing back all texts on the site, distros have to
>>> rename the packages again, confusing the users, changing names in
>>> OpenPrinting APIs (or leaving traces of all project names in the  
>>> APIs
>>> with the time) ...
>>>
>>> So I want to ask the OpenPrinting workgroup members about whether we
>>> should rename or not. Or whether we should agree on the name on  
>>> the next
>>>   OpenPrinting Steering Committee meeting. So anyone of the OP  
>>> folks, WDYT?
>>>
>>>     Till
>>>
>>>
>>> Dan Kohn wrote:
>>>
>>>> Till, I apologize in advance if you see this request as a reversal.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, Amanda and I both think that the LinuxPrinting name is much
>>>> stronger and more compelling than OpenPrinting.  The term "open"  
>>>> has
>>>> been overused so much that it is almost meaningless at this  
>>>> point.  I
>>>> appreciate that LinuxPrinting provides drivers for BSD, Solaris,  
>>>> OS X,
>>>> etc. (and we want it to continue to do so), but just as the Linux
>>>> Foundation and Linux Standard Base work on an array of issues  
>>>> but have a
>>>> Linux focus at their core, so does LinuxPrinting.  Would you be  
>>>> willing
>>>> to change the branding of your website and working group?
>>>>
>>>>            - dan
>>>> --Dan Kohn <mailto:dan@dankohn.com>
>>>> COO, The Linux Foundation <http://www.linux-foundation.org>
>>>> <http://www.dankohn.com/>  <tel:+1-415-233-1000>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: [Printing-architecture] LinuxPrinting.com naming

[Jim Zemlin]

Till:

Allow me to repeat:

I suggest we focus on the work and not the name right now.      This
can be a topic for discussion at our member meeting in June.    This
isn't worth spending a lot of time discussing right now.

Thanks. ;-)

Jim


On May 21, 2007, at 3:14 PM, Till Kamppeter wrote:

> Dan wants to rename the OpenPrinting project (the whole project,  
> what we
> have done the last 6 years as FSG OpenPrinting and what I have done in
> the last 6 years as linuxprinting.org) from OpenPrinting to
> LinuxPrinting, due to being the Linux Foundation, having the Linux
> Standards Base, ...
>
>     Till
>
> Norm Jacobs wrote:
>>
>> Apparently, I missed the context of Dan Kohn's message.  What  
>> *exacly*
>> is being proposed here?
>>
>>    -Norm
>>
>> Ira McDonald wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> <OP Chair hat on> There is a very strong negative feeling among many
>>> of the OP WG chairs whose companies do NOT ship Linux that we should
>>> keep the name "Open Printing" (which we've always had from the  
>>> outset
>>> six years ago), to indicate that the scope is POSIX (not just  
>>> Linux) for
>>> our APIs and components.
>>>
>>> We can change the name, but it's likely to lose us several working
>>> group chairs and my immediate predecessor as OP Steering
>>> Committee chair, Norm Jacobs (Sun Solaris).
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> - Ira
>>>
>>> On 5/18/07, Till Kamppeter <till.kamppeter@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, it has the advantages you mentioned, and the part of the  
>>>> project
>>>> most known to users had the name linuxprinting.org.
>>>>
>>>> Disadvantages are that we are renaming a project again after  
>>>> short time
>>>> and this means changing back all texts on the site, distros have to
>>>> rename the packages again, confusing the users, changing names in
>>>> OpenPrinting APIs (or leaving traces of all project names in the  
>>>> APIs
>>>> with the time) ...
>>>>
>>>> So I want to ask the OpenPrinting workgroup members about  
>>>> whether we
>>>> should rename or not. Or whether we should agree on the name on  
>>>> the next
>>>>   OpenPrinting Steering Committee meeting. So anyone of the OP  
>>>> folks,
>>>> WDYT?
>>>>
>>>>     Till
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dan Kohn wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Till, I apologize in advance if you see this request as a  
>>>>> reversal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, Amanda and I both think that the LinuxPrinting name is  
>>>>> much
>>>>> stronger and more compelling than OpenPrinting.  The term  
>>>>> "open" has
>>>>> been overused so much that it is almost meaningless at this  
>>>>> point.  I
>>>>> appreciate that LinuxPrinting provides drivers for BSD,  
>>>>> Solaris, OS X,
>>>>> etc. (and we want it to continue to do so), but just as the Linux
>>>>> Foundation and Linux Standard Base work on an array of issues but
>>>>> have a
>>>>> Linux focus at their core, so does LinuxPrinting.  Would you be  
>>>>> willing
>>>>> to change the branding of your website and working group?
>>>>>
>>>>>            - dan
>>>>> --Dan Kohn <mailto:dan@dankohn.com>
>>>>> COO, The Linux Foundation <http://www.linux-foundation.org>
>>>>> <http://www.dankohn.com/>  <tel:+1-415-233-1000>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: [Printing-architecture] LinuxPrinting.com naming

[Ira McDonald]

Hi,

Thanks Jim for that helpful comment about focus.

Cheers,
- Ira

On 5/22/07, Jim Zemlin <jzemlin@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Till:
>
> Allow me to repeat:
>
> I suggest we focus on the work and not the name right now.      This
> can be a topic for discussion at our member meeting in June.    This
> isn't worth spending a lot of time discussing right now.
>
> Thanks. ;-)
>
> Jim
>
>
> On May 21, 2007, at 3:14 PM, Till Kamppeter wrote:
>
> > Dan wants to rename the OpenPrinting project (the whole project,
> > what we
> > have done the last 6 years as FSG OpenPrinting and what I have done in
> > the last 6 years as linuxprinting.org) from OpenPrinting to
> > LinuxPrinting, due to being the Linux Foundation, having the Linux
> > Standards Base, ...
> >
> >     Till
> >
> > Norm Jacobs wrote:
> >>
> >> Apparently, I missed the context of Dan Kohn's message.  What
> >> *exacly*
> >> is being proposed here?
> >>
> >>    -Norm
> >>
> >> Ira McDonald wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> <OP Chair hat on> There is a very strong negative feeling among many
> >>> of the OP WG chairs whose companies do NOT ship Linux that we should
> >>> keep the name "Open Printing" (which we've always had from the
> >>> outset
> >>> six years ago), to indicate that the scope is POSIX (not just
> >>> Linux) for
> >>> our APIs and components.
> >>>
> >>> We can change the name, but it's likely to lose us several working
> >>> group chairs and my immediate predecessor as OP Steering
> >>> Committee chair, Norm Jacobs (Sun Solaris).
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> - Ira
> >>>
> >>> On 5/18/07, Till Kamppeter <till.kamppeter@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Yes, it has the advantages you mentioned, and the part of the
> >>>> project
> >>>> most known to users had the name linuxprinting.org.
> >>>>
> >>>> Disadvantages are that we are renaming a project again after
> >>>> short time
> >>>> and this means changing back all texts on the site, distros have to
> >>>> rename the packages again, confusing the users, changing names in
> >>>> OpenPrinting APIs (or leaving traces of all project names in the
> >>>> APIs
> >>>> with the time) ...
> >>>>
> >>>> So I want to ask the OpenPrinting workgroup members about
> >>>> whether we
> >>>> should rename or not. Or whether we should agree on the name on
> >>>> the next
> >>>>   OpenPrinting Steering Committee meeting. So anyone of the OP
> >>>> folks,
> >>>> WDYT?
> >>>>
> >>>>     Till
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Dan Kohn wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Till, I apologize in advance if you see this request as a
> >>>>> reversal.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anyway, Amanda and I both think that the LinuxPrinting name is
> >>>>> much
> >>>>> stronger and more compelling than OpenPrinting.  The term
> >>>>> "open" has
> >>>>> been overused so much that it is almost meaningless at this
> >>>>> point.  I
> >>>>> appreciate that LinuxPrinting provides drivers for BSD,
> >>>>> Solaris, OS X,
> >>>>> etc. (and we want it to continue to do so), but just as the Linux
> >>>>> Foundation and Linux Standard Base work on an array of issues but
> >>>>> have a
> >>>>> Linux focus at their core, so does LinuxPrinting.  Would you be
> >>>>> willing
> >>>>> to change the branding of your website and working group?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>            - dan
> >>>>> --Dan Kohn <mailto:dan@dankohn.com>
> >>>>> COO, The Linux Foundation <http://www.linux-foundation.org>
> >>>>> <http://www.dankohn.com/>  <tel:+1-415-233-1000>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
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-- 
Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Blue Roof Music / High North Inc
PO Box 221  Grand Marais, MI  49839
phone: +1-906-494-2434
email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com