From: Avi Kivity <avi-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
To: Rusty Russell <rusty-8n+1lVoiYb80n/F98K4Iww@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 1/3] virtio infrastructure
Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2007 08:28:50 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <46625192.5020108@qumranet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1180777836.9228.44.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
Rusty Russell wrote:
> On Sat, 2007-06-02 at 09:30 +0300, Avi Kivity wrote:
>
>> Rusty Russell wrote:
>>
>>> + * virtio_ops - virtio abstraction layer
>>> + * @add_outbuf: prepare to send data to the other end:
>>> + * vdev: the virtio_device
>>> + * sg: the description of the buffer(s).
>>> + * num: the size of the sg array.
>>> + * used: the length sent (set once sending is done).
>>> + * Returns an identifier or an error.
>>> + * @add_inbuf: prepare to receive data from the other end:
>>> + * vdev: the virtio_device
>>> + * sg: the description of the buffer(s).
>>> + * num: the size of the sg array.
>>> + * used: the length sent (set once data received).
>>> + * Returns an identifier or an error (eg. -ENOSPC).
>>>
>>>
>> Instead of 'used', how about a completion callback (with associated data
>> pointer)? A new helper, virtio_complete(), would call the callback for
>> all completed requests. It would eliminate all the tedious scanning
>> used to match the identifier.
>>
>
> Hi Avi,
>
> There were several considerations here. My first was that the drivers
> look much more like normal devices than getting a callback for every
> buffer. Secondly, "used" batches much more nicely than a completion.
> Finally, it's also something you really want to know, so the driver
> doesn't have to zero its inbufs (an untrusted other side says it sends
> you 1500 bytes but actually sent nothing, and now you spray kernel
> memory out the NIC).
>
Sure, 'used' is important (how else do you get the packet size on
receive?), I'm just bitching about the linear scan.
> I also considered some scheme like:
>
> struct virtio_used_info
> {
> unsigned long len;
> void *next_token;
> };
> ...
> unsigned long (*add_outbuf)(struct virtio_device *vdev,
> const struct scatterlist sg[],
> unsigned int num,
> void *token,
> struct virtio_used_info *used_info);
>
> So the "used" becomes a "used/next" pair and you can just walk the
> linked list. But I wasn't convinced that walking the buffers is going
> to be a performance issue (tho the net driver puts them in a continuous
> array for cache friendliness as a nod to this concern).
>
Well, if you have 256 slots per direction, you will scan 4KB of memory
per interrupt (256 slots x 2 directions x 8 bytes). You may need a
queue length greater than 256 for a high bandwidth interface, if you
want to reduce your interrupt rate, or if your guest is scheduled out
for lengthy periods (say, a millisecond).
>
>> It would also be nice to support a bit of non-buffer data, like a set of
>> bitflags.
>>
>
> I expect this might be necessary, but it wasn't so far. The non-buffer
> data tends to go in sg[0]: the block driver works this way, and the
> network driver will for GSO. Of course, a specialized virtio_ops
> backend might well take this and put the info somewhere else.
>
Yeah. Well, it's a somewhat roundabout way of doing things.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-06-03 5:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-05-31 12:19 [PATCH RFC 1/3] virtio infrastructure Rusty Russell
2007-05-31 12:20 ` [PATCH RFC 2/3] virtio infrastructure: example net driver Rusty Russell
2007-05-31 12:53 ` [kvm-devel] [PATCH RFC 1/3] virtio infrastructure Carsten Otte
[not found] ` <1180613947.11133.58.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-31 12:20 ` [PATCH RFC 2/3] virtio infrastructure: example net driver Rusty Russell
2007-05-31 12:21 ` [PATCH RFC 3/3] virtio infrastructure: example block driver Rusty Russell
[not found] ` <1180614044.11133.61.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-31 12:21 ` Rusty Russell
[not found] ` <1180614091.11133.63.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-31 12:57 ` Carsten Otte
[not found] ` <465EC637.7020504-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-31 15:02 ` Troy Benjegerdes
[not found] ` <20070531150206.GB6474-na1kE3HDu0idQnJuSAr7PQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-31 17:01 ` Carsten Otte
2007-05-31 17:36 ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <465EFF72.5070100-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-05-31 17:36 ` Avi Kivity
2007-05-31 17:01 ` [kvm-devel] " Carsten Otte
2007-05-31 23:39 ` Rusty Russell
2007-06-01 7:10 ` [kvm-devel] " Carsten Otte
[not found] ` <1180654765.10999.6.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-01 7:10 ` Carsten Otte
2007-06-01 13:13 ` [kvm-devel] " Jens Axboe
[not found] ` <465FC65C.6020905-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-01 13:13 ` Jens Axboe
2007-06-04 13:40 ` [kvm-devel] " Carsten Otte
[not found] ` <20070601131315.GW32105-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-04 13:40 ` Carsten Otte
2007-06-04 13:43 ` [kvm-devel] " Jens Axboe
[not found] ` <4664164A.40604-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-04 13:43 ` Jens Axboe
[not found] ` <20070604134322.GC32105-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-04 13:52 ` Rusty Russell
2007-06-04 13:54 ` [kvm-devel] " Jens Axboe
[not found] ` <1180965161.25878.47.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-04 13:54 ` Jens Axboe
2007-06-04 14:12 ` [kvm-devel] " Carsten Otte
[not found] ` <20070604135433.GG32105-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-04 14:12 ` Carsten Otte
2007-06-04 14:31 ` [kvm-devel] " Jens Axboe
[not found] ` <46641DC9.5050600-tA70FqPdS9bQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-04 14:31 ` Jens Axboe
2007-06-04 13:52 ` [kvm-devel] " Rusty Russell
2007-06-02 9:28 ` Rusty Russell
2007-06-04 12:53 ` [kvm-devel] " Carsten Otte
[not found] ` <1180776482.9228.22.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-04 12:53 ` Carsten Otte
2007-06-02 9:28 ` [kvm-devel] " Rusty Russell
2007-05-31 15:02 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2007-05-31 23:39 ` Rusty Russell
2007-05-31 12:57 ` Carsten Otte
2007-05-31 12:53 ` [PATCH RFC 1/3] virtio infrastructure Carsten Otte
2007-05-31 13:01 ` Dor Laor
2007-06-02 6:30 ` Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <46610E8D.10706-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-02 9:50 ` Rusty Russell
[not found] ` <1180777836.9228.44.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-03 5:28 ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2007-06-03 10:29 ` [kvm-devel] " Rusty Russell
[not found] ` <46625192.5020108-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-03 10:29 ` Rusty Russell
2007-06-03 11:39 ` [Xen-devel] Re: [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <1180866540.17442.74.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-03 11:39 ` [Xen-devel] " Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <4662A86A.7010706-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-03 23:53 ` Rusty Russell
2007-06-04 9:55 ` [Xen-devel] Re: [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <1180914836.17442.104.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-04 9:55 ` [Xen-devel] " Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <4663E18D.4030007-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-04 10:32 ` Herbert Xu
2007-06-04 11:19 ` Rusty Russell
2007-06-04 11:25 ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
[not found] ` <1180955964.25878.27.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-04 11:25 ` Avi Kivity
2007-06-04 11:40 ` [kvm-devel] " Rusty Russell
2007-06-04 12:17 ` Herbert Xu
[not found] ` <4663F6AC.7070100-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-04 11:40 ` Rusty Russell
2007-06-04 12:17 ` Herbert Xu
2007-06-04 10:32 ` [Xen-devel] Re: [kvm-devel] " Herbert Xu
2007-06-04 11:19 ` Rusty Russell
2007-06-03 23:53 ` [Xen-devel] " Rusty Russell
2007-06-03 5:28 ` Avi Kivity
2007-06-02 9:50 ` Rusty Russell
2007-05-31 13:01 ` Dor Laor
2007-06-01 23:35 ` [Xen-devel] " Santos, Jose Renato G
2007-06-01 23:35 ` Santos, Jose Renato G
2007-06-02 10:12 ` Rusty Russell
2007-06-04 21:14 ` [Xen-devel] " Santos, Jose Renato G
[not found] ` <1180779167.9228.66.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-04 21:14 ` Santos, Jose Renato G
2007-06-04 21:19 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
[not found] ` <08CA2245AFCF444DB3AC415E47CC40AFBD2FD4-VylnnfFjWmASZAcGdq5asR6epYMZPwEe5NbjCUgZEJk@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-04 21:19 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-06-05 2:05 ` Santos, Jose Renato G
[not found] ` <466481ED.8050209-TSDbQ3PG+2Y@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-05 2:05 ` Santos, Jose Renato G
[not found] ` <08CA2245AFCF444DB3AC415E47CC40AFBD30B4-VylnnfFjWmASZAcGdq5asR6epYMZPwEe5NbjCUgZEJk@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-05 2:27 ` Rusty Russell
2007-06-05 2:49 ` Santos, Jose Renato G
2007-06-05 2:49 ` Santos, Jose Renato G
2007-06-05 2:27 ` [Xen-devel] " Rusty Russell
2007-06-05 1:44 ` Rusty Russell
2007-06-05 2:39 ` Santos, Jose Renato G
[not found] ` <1181007892.25878.112.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-05 2:39 ` Santos, Jose Renato G
2007-06-05 1:44 ` Rusty Russell
2007-06-02 10:12 ` Rusty Russell
2007-06-02 6:30 ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
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