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From: Pierre Ossman <drzeus-mmc-p3sGCRWkH8CeZLLa646FqQ@public.gmane.org>
To: David Brownell <david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: spi-devel-general-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org,
	mikael.starvik-VrBV9hrLPhE@public.gmane.org,
	hans-peter.nilsson-VrBV9hrLPhE@public.gmane.org,
	mike-UTnDXsALFwNjMdQLN6DIHgC/G2K4zDHf@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [patch 4/4] MMC-over-SPI host driver
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:51:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4679691C.2060803@drzeus.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070620170511.EC564F31CB-ZcXrCSuhvln6VZ3dlLfH/g4gEjPzgfUyLrfjE7I9kuVHxeISYlDBzl6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org>

David Brownell wrote:
>>> Right now it looks like the main reason to keep including mmc.h is
>>> to handle one aspect of mapping the data error token. ...
>> Don't map at all. Just give the core what you got from the card.
> 
> Tried that, it fails for the obvious (in retrospect) reason:  after each
> command that's issued, something needs to ensure that the return code won't
> be MMC_ERR_NONE after errors.  That means looking at those R1 bits which
> report that hardware status.

The error codes were never supposed to report card status, only controller
status. So MMC_ERR_NONE is perfectly valid for a status response filled with
error bits.

> And it's got to do that pretty much immediately, since when an error shows
> up in the command, the data stage must not be performed.  It's impractical
> to consider delegating such triage to the core.
> 

This is an architectural limitation in the MMC layer that affects the native
protocol aswell. If you need it fixed, I'd say we have to do it in a proper,
general manner.

Why can't you do what native controllers do, just fling the data out there and
break when the card doesn't respond properly to it?

>>> Having a simple flag in mmc_host would be much better.
>> Perhaps. But there's a lot of value in consistency.
> 
> Unless you strongly object, I'll go the flag route though.  The thing is,
> the IOS thing ("kitchen sink") will never vanish if it keeps growning at
> every opportunity.
> 

But if we keep inventing new systems ad-hoc, we'll have a much bigger mess to
deal with.

Rgds
-- 
     -- Pierre Ossman

  Linux kernel, MMC maintainer        http://www.kernel.org
  PulseAudio, core developer          http://pulseaudio.org
  rdesktop, core developer          http://www.rdesktop.org

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-06-20 17:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-10 19:57 [patch 0/4] MMC-over-SPI for 2.6.22-rc4-mm David Brownell
     [not found] ` <200706101257.45278.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-10 20:05   ` [patch 1/4] MMC-over-SPI header updates David Brownell
     [not found]     ` <200706101305.53151.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-12 17:22       ` Pierre Ossman
     [not found]         ` <466ED661.1010407-p3sGCRWkH8CeZLLa646FqQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-12 18:06           ` David Brownell
     [not found]             ` <200706121106.42067.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-13  8:25               ` Pierre Ossman
     [not found]                 ` <466FAA0C.9020102-p3sGCRWkH8CeZLLa646FqQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-13 21:33                   ` David Brownell
     [not found]                     ` <200706131433.21238.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-15 17:53                       ` Pierre Ossman
     [not found]                         ` <4672D202.3000901-p3sGCRWkH8CeZLLa646FqQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-16 18:50                           ` David Brownell
     [not found]                             ` <200706161150.58273.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-20 15:52                               ` Pierre Ossman
     [not found]                                 ` <46794D3B.1060009-p3sGCRWkH8CeZLLa646FqQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-22 20:08                                   ` David Brownell
2007-06-10 20:06   ` [patch 2/4] MMC-over-SPI card driver update David Brownell
     [not found]     ` <200706101306.39081.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-12 17:28       ` Pierre Ossman
2007-06-10 20:07   ` [patch 3/4] MMC-over-SPI core updates David Brownell
     [not found]     ` <200706101307.11394.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-13  8:12       ` Pierre Ossman
     [not found]         ` <466FA700.2080009-p3sGCRWkH8CeZLLa646FqQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-14  0:53           ` David Brownell
     [not found]             ` <200706131753.47453.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-15 18:03               ` Pierre Ossman
     [not found]                 ` <4672D474.4060707-p3sGCRWkH8CeZLLa646FqQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-16 21:16                   ` David Brownell
     [not found]                     ` <200706161416.17802.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-20 15:56                       ` Pierre Ossman
     [not found]                         ` <46794E1B.6010907-p3sGCRWkH8CeZLLa646FqQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-22 20:42                           ` David Brownell
2007-06-10 20:08   ` [patch 4/4] MMC-over-SPI host driver David Brownell
     [not found]     ` <200706101308.07910.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-13 19:32       ` Pierre Ossman
     [not found]         ` <46704637.2090309-p3sGCRWkH8CeZLLa646FqQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-14  4:05           ` David Brownell
     [not found]             ` <200706132105.51711.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-15 18:26               ` Pierre Ossman
     [not found]                 ` <4672D9C5.9080707-p3sGCRWkH8CeZLLa646FqQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-17 20:29                   ` David Brownell
     [not found]                     ` <200706171329.12709.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-20 16:20                       ` Pierre Ossman
     [not found]                         ` <467953E0.8050408-p3sGCRWkH8CeZLLa646FqQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-20 17:05                           ` David Brownell
     [not found]                             ` <20070620170511.EC564F31CB-ZcXrCSuhvln6VZ3dlLfH/g4gEjPzgfUyLrfjE7I9kuVHxeISYlDBzl6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-20 17:51                               ` Pierre Ossman [this message]
     [not found]                                 ` <4679691C.2060803-p3sGCRWkH8CeZLLa646FqQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-22 21:18                                   ` David Brownell
     [not found]                                     ` <200706221418.44214.david-b-yBeKhBN/0LDR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-06-30 18:46                                       ` Pierre Ossman
2007-07-12 18:14                                   ` David Brownell
2007-07-12 17:52                   ` David Brownell

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