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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: Joerg Schilling <Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de>,
	david@lang.hm, schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Linux Kernel include files
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:18:02 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <467B5B8A.2020306@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1182483527.10524.31.camel@shinybook.infradead.org>

David Woodhouse wrote:
>> The main problems are not really hard to fix......
>>
>> -	Most problems eem to be related to the fact that Linux does not
>> 	use C-99 based types in the kernel and the related type definitions 
>> 	are not written in plain C. This is something that should be fixed
>> 	with a source consolidation program or by defining aliases to 
>> 	C-99 types in case the compiler is not GCC.
> 
> 
> The argument has been made that the standard C99 types are _optional_,
> and anything included from a C library's headers without _explicitly_
> being included by the user shouldn't define those types.
> 
> Personally, I think that's a load of bollocks. And it certainly doesn't
> apply to Linux-specific files like <linux/cdrom.h>, which are perfectly
> entitled to use a C standard from last millennium, regardless of
> namespace 'pollution' issues. That's why we continue to use the crappy
> __u32 types. Can you be more specific about why this is a problem? Don't
> we mostly define those crappy types using arch-specific knowledge, as
> 'int', 'long', etc?
> 

It definitely does hurt when using those types in files that may want to
be used by the C library (as opposed to the end user.)

However, there is no reason why there should be anything funny about the
declaration of those types.

	-hpa

  reply	other threads:[~2007-06-22  5:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-21 22:32 Linux Kernel include files Joerg Schilling
2007-06-21 23:25 ` david
2007-06-21 23:38   ` Joerg Schilling
2007-06-22  3:38     ` David Woodhouse
2007-06-22  5:18       ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2007-06-22 15:00       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-26 15:26         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-27  1:32         ` Kyle Moffett
2007-06-27 15:40           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-27 15:52             ` Joerg Schilling
2007-06-27 15:59               ` Robert P. J. Day
2007-06-27 17:32               ` Userspace compiler support of "long long" Adrian Bunk
2007-06-27 22:30                 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-06-27 22:57                   ` Randy Dunlap
2007-06-27 23:16                     ` Randy Dunlap
2007-06-28  2:12                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-06-28  6:50                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-06-28 11:34                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-06-28 11:36                             ` David Woodhouse
2007-06-28 12:20                               ` Kyle Moffett
2007-06-28  3:06                       ` Kyle McMartin
2007-06-28  0:30                   ` Andi Kleen
2007-06-28 11:42                     ` Kyle Moffett
2007-06-28  3:57                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-06-28 11:53                     ` Kyle Moffett
2007-06-28 12:08                       ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-06-28 12:18                         ` Kyle Moffett
2007-06-28  4:03                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-28 10:26                 ` Harald Arnesen
2007-06-28 10:44                   ` Joerg Schilling
2007-06-28 12:11                   ` Kyle Moffett
2007-06-28 15:31                     ` Mark Brown
2007-06-28  4:02           ` Linux Kernel include files H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-25 15:17       ` Joerg Schilling
2007-06-25 15:27         ` David Woodhouse
2007-06-25 18:04           ` Harald Arnesen
2007-06-25 20:26             ` Joerg Schilling
2007-06-25 20:32               ` David Woodhouse
2007-06-25 21:43               ` Harald Arnesen
2007-06-25 21:48                 ` Harald Arnesen
2007-06-25 21:49                   ` Joerg Schilling
2007-06-25 22:30                     ` Harald Arnesen
2007-06-25 22:42                       ` Joerg Schilling
2007-06-21 23:59   ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-25 15:06     ` Joerg Schilling
2007-06-25 16:00       ` david
2007-06-25 14:48   ` Joerg Schilling
2007-06-21 23:47 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-06-25 14:53   ` Joerg Schilling
2007-06-25 15:26     ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-06-25 15:27       ` Robert P. J. Day
2007-06-25 20:18     ` Sam Ravnborg
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-06-27 13:45 Joerg Schilling
2007-06-27 22:16 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-27 13:58 Joerg Schilling
2007-06-27 16:40 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-27 16:41   ` Joerg Schilling
2007-06-27 18:50     ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-06-27 17:18 ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-06-28 10:47   ` Joerg Schilling
2007-06-28 13:49   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-06-29 12:59     ` David Woodhouse
2007-06-27 14:00 Joerg Schilling
2007-06-27 16:04 ` David Woodhouse
2007-06-28 10:27   ` Joerg Schilling
2007-06-28 10:37     ` David Woodhouse
2007-06-28 10:39       ` Joerg Schilling
2007-06-28 10:57         ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2007-06-28 16:15           ` Jan Engelhardt
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2007-06-27 22:35       ` Bodo Eggert
2007-06-27 23:07         ` Arjan van de Ven
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2007-07-01  9:47             ` Bodo Eggert

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