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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Jeremy Maitin-Shepard <jbms@cmu.edu>
Cc: Al Boldi <a1426z@gawab.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: Hibernation Redesign
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:29:25 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4691B9A5.6060203@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87tzsew712.fsf@jbms.ath.cx>

Jeremy Maitin-Shepard wrote:
> Al Boldi <a1426z@gawab.com> writes:
> 
> 
>>Pavel Machek wrote:
>>
>>>We are stuck with refrigerator for now, and at least for hibernation,
>>>I don't see any feasible alternative.
> 
> 
>>Feasible alternative?
> 
> 
> I posted such an alternative to the list a short time ago: hibenrating
> from a *new* kernel space/user space that is created by loading a new
> kernel in a manner similar to what is done for kexec crashdumps.  Unlike
> kexec crashdumps, however, it would not require reserving any memory at
> boot, because the necessary memory (maybe 16MB or 64MB) can be freed
> just before hibernating, and device drivers can be properly stopped so
> that DMAs don't stomp over certain memory.

This is the Morton method, isn't it? :) I remember it sounding like a
very good idea when he brought it up, but I can't remember the details
of why it was rejected or what the problems were.


> This approach eliminates the need for the freezer, as it would make
> hibernate look a lot a bit like suspend to ram from the perspective of
> the "old" kernel (the kernel being hibernated), as the hibernate
> operation itself would be completely atomic from the perspective of the
> "old" kernel.  That is not to say, of course, that any code paths would
> actually be shared, or that the drivers would do the same things
> (because they probably would not).

Well it basically is suspend to RAM with the additional step that a
new kernel gets booted and writes out the data from RAM to disk then
shuts down. I suspect that freeing memory on the fly for the new kernel
would be non-trivial (but possible), however simply having a reserve
RAM region for the new kernel would be fine for a first step.

-- 
SUSE Labs, Novell Inc.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-09  4:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-08 14:37 Hibernation Redesign (was: malicious filesystems (was Re: [linux-pm] Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM) Al Boldi
2007-07-09  4:11 ` Hibernation Redesign Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-09  4:29   ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2007-07-09  4:36     ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-09  4:45       ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-09  4:54         ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-09  4:58           ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-09  5:33             ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-09  6:22           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-09 13:45       ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-09 14:02         ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-09 14:26           ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-09 15:09             ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-09 15:27               ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-09  4:39     ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-09 13:52       ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-09 15:30         ` Al Boldi
2007-07-10  1:29           ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-10  2:28           ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-10 14:57             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-10 17:25               ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-10 22:59                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-11  4:11                   ` Al Boldi
2007-07-11 10:27                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-11 10:42                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-11 11:04                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-11 11:11                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-11 11:50                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-11 11:54                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-11 12:00                                 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-11 12:09                                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-11 12:17                                     ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-11 12:27                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-11 12:29                                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-11 21:04                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-12  9:15                                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-12 22:13                                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-11 12:19                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-11 12:49                                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-11 21:06                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-11 12:11                             ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-11 12:24                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-11 12:46                                 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-11 12:55                                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-11 13:16                               ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-11 20:48                                 ` Mark Lord
2007-07-11 21:14                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-11 22:17                                   ` Al Boldi
2007-07-11 22:34                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-11 23:12                                       ` Al Boldi
2007-07-11 23:31                                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-12  3:11                                           ` Al Boldi
2007-07-12 13:20                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-16  6:04                                           ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-12 20:29                                     ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-11 23:46                                 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-11 17:55                               ` david
2007-07-11 22:54                                 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-10 17:45               ` Al Boldi
2007-07-10 18:20                 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard

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