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From: Rene Herman <rene.herman@gmail.com>
To: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>
Cc: Ray Lee <ray-lk@madrabbit.org>, Bodo Eggert <7eggert@gmx.de>,
	Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
	Jesper Juhl <jesper.juhl@gmail.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
	David Chinner <dgc@sgi.com>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH][RFC] 4K stacks default, not a debug thing any more...?
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:17:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <469E4B1A.8050807@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070718165402.GK11115@waste.org>

On 07/18/2007 06:54 PM, Matt Mackall wrote:

> You can expect the distribution of file sizes to follow a gamma
> distribution, with a large hump towards the small end of the spectrum
> around 1-10K, dropping off very rapidly as file sizes grow.

Okay.

>> Not too sure then that 8K wouldn't be something I'd want, given fewer 
>> pagefaults and all that...
> 
> Fewer minor pagefaults, perhaps. Readahead already deals with most of
> the major pagefaults that larger pages would.

Mmm, yes.

> Anyway, raising the systemwide memory overhead by up to 15% seems an 
> awfully silly way to address the problem of not being able to allocate a
> stack when you're down to your last 1 or 2% of memory!

Well, I've seen larger pagesizes submerge in more situations, specifically 
in allocation overhead -- ie, making the struct page's fit in lowmem for 
hugemem x86 boxes was the first I heard of it. But yes, otherwise (also) 
mostly database loads which obviously have moved to 64-bit since.

Pagecache tail-packing seems like a promising idea to deal with the downside 
of larger pages but I'll admit I'm not particularly sure how many _up_ sides 
to them are left on x86 (not -64) now that's becoming a legacy architecture 
(and since you just shot down the pagefaults thing).

Rene.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-18 17:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2007-07-15 17:17               ` [PATCH][RFC] 4K stacks default, not a debug thing any more...? Bodo Eggert
2007-07-15 17:35                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-07-15 18:32                   ` Måns Rullgård
2007-07-15 17:46                 ` Rene Herman
2007-07-16 13:43                   ` Bodo Eggert
2007-07-16 22:28                     ` Rene Herman
2007-07-16 22:37                       ` Ray Lee
2007-07-16 22:54                         ` Alan Cox
2007-07-16 22:53                           ` Ray Lee
2007-07-16 23:05                             ` Rene Herman
2007-07-16 23:15                               ` Ray Lee
2007-07-18  0:14                                 ` Alan Cox
2007-07-18  6:39                                   ` Ray Lee
2007-07-17 17:01                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-07-17 23:39                             ` Jesper Juhl
2007-07-18  0:22                               ` Rene Herman
2007-07-16 22:54                         ` Jesper Juhl
2007-07-16 23:01                           ` Rene Herman
2007-07-16 23:42                           ` Bodo Eggert
2007-07-16 23:51                             ` Jesper Juhl
2007-07-19 19:34                             ` Denis Vlasenko
2007-07-19 20:04                               ` Bodo Eggert
2007-07-16 22:55                         ` Rene Herman
2007-07-16 23:07                           ` Matt Mackall
2007-07-16 23:12                             ` Rene Herman
2007-07-16 23:27                               ` Matt Mackall
2007-07-16 23:32                                 ` Rene Herman
2007-07-18  2:38                                 ` Rene Herman
2007-07-18 16:54                                   ` Matt Mackall
2007-07-18 17:17                                     ` Rene Herman [this message]
2007-07-19  0:15                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-07-19  0:39                                   ` Alan Cox
2007-07-19  1:33                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-07-19  1:37                                       ` Matt Mackall
2007-07-19  1:56                                         ` Rene Herman
2007-07-19 11:24                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-07-19 11:44                                           ` Alan Cox
2007-07-27 13:02                                             ` Eric Sandeen
2007-07-27 17:38                                               ` Alan Cox
2007-07-27 18:31                                                 ` Satyam Sharma
2007-08-01  3:53                                                   ` Eric Sandeen
2007-08-01  8:11                                                     ` Dan Merillat
2007-08-01 10:04                                                       ` Neil Brown
2007-08-10  4:51                                                         ` Dan Merillat
2007-08-10  4:59                                                           ` Neil Brown
2007-08-01 13:33                                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-08-01 15:44                                                         ` Alan Cox
2007-08-10  1:03                                                           ` Dan Merillat
2007-07-19  9:23                                       ` Alan Cox
2007-07-19 10:52                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-07-27 13:03                                     ` Eric Sandeen
2007-07-27 17:18                                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2007-07-19  0:41                                   ` Matt Mackall
2007-07-19  0:48                                     ` Rene Herman
2007-07-19  1:28                                       ` Matt Mackall
2007-07-16 23:13                           ` Ray Lee
2007-07-16 23:22                             ` Rene Herman
2007-07-16 23:35                               ` Jesper Juhl
2007-07-16 23:40                               ` Ray Lee
2007-07-17  0:57                                 ` Rene Herman
2007-07-17 16:14                                   ` Shawn Bohrer
2007-07-17 16:52                                     ` Rene Herman
2007-07-17 17:45                                       ` Zan Lynx
2007-07-18  0:16                                     ` Alan Cox
2007-07-16 23:45                           ` Bodo Eggert
2007-07-17  0:28                             ` Rene Herman
2007-07-17 10:06                               ` Bodo Eggert
2007-07-17 14:38                                 ` Rene Herman
2007-07-17 23:19                                   ` Bodo Eggert
2007-07-17 23:29                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-07-19 17:20                                       ` Bodo Eggert
2007-07-17 23:57                                     ` Rene Herman
2007-07-19 17:05                                       ` Bodo Eggert
2007-07-16 23:26                       ` utz lehmann
2007-07-16 23:39                         ` Måns Rullgård
2007-07-17  1:00                         ` Rene Herman
2007-07-17 14:45                         ` John Stoffel
2007-07-17 23:46                           ` utz lehmann
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2007-07-18  8:37                         ` Nick Craig-Wood
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2007-07-19 13:37                         ` Bodo Eggert
2007-07-11 17:16 Jesper Juhl
2007-07-11 17:54 ` Zan Lynx
2007-07-11 20:05   ` Daniel Phillips
2007-07-11 22:09     ` Neil Brown
2007-07-12  3:15       ` Daniel Phillips
2007-07-12  4:16 ` David Chinner
2007-07-12  4:59 ` Ray Lee
2007-07-12 20:24   ` Jesper Juhl
2007-07-13  0:34     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-13  2:25       ` Jesper Juhl
2007-07-13  4:14         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-13  9:19           ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-07-13 13:20           ` Rene Herman
2007-07-14 19:17             ` Matt Mackall
2007-07-14 22:19               ` Rene Herman
2007-07-16 23:38                 ` Matt Mackall
2007-07-17 13:46                   ` Rene Herman
2007-07-18 17:19               ` Phillip Susi
2007-07-18 17:32                 ` Rene Herman
2007-07-18 17:32                 ` Alan Cox
2007-07-18 17:33                   ` Phillip Susi
2007-07-14 19:42         ` Matt Mackall
2007-07-12  6:08 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-12  6:37   ` David Chinner

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