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From: Zoltan Menyhart <Zoltan.Menyhart@bull.net>
To: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, tony.luck@intel.com, nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au,
	mike@stroyan.net, dmosberger@gmail.com, y-goto@jp.fujitsu.com
Subject: Re: [BUGFIX]{PATCH] flush icache on ia64 take2
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:15:03 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <469F71E7.4050200@bull.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070719220118.73f40346.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>

KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:

> But is it too costly that flushing icache page only if a page is newly
> installed into the system (PG_arch1) && it is mapped as executable ?

Well it was a bit long time ago, I measured on a Tiger box with
CPUs of 1.3 GHz:

Flushing a page of 64 Kbytes, with modified data in D-cache
(it's slower that not having modified data in the D-cache):

13.1 ... 14.7 usec.

You may have quicker machines, but having more CPUs or a NUMA architecture
can slow it down considerably:
- more CPUs have to agree that that's the moment to carry out a flush
- NUMA adds delay

We may have, say 1 Gbyte / sec local i/o activity (using some RAIDs).
Assume a few % of this 1 Gbyte is the program execution, or program swap in.
It gives some hundreds of new exec pages / sec =>
some msec-s can be lost each sec.

I can agree that it should not be a big deal :-)

> I don't want to leak this (stupid) corner case to the file system layer.
> Hmm...can't we do clever flushing (like your idea) in VM layer ?

As the VM layer is designed to be independent of the page read in stuff...

Thanks,

Zoltan

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From: Zoltan Menyhart <Zoltan.Menyhart@bull.net>
To: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, tony.luck@intel.com, nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au,
	mike@stroyan.net, dmosberger@gmail.com, y-goto@jp.fujitsu.com
Subject: Re: [BUGFIX]{PATCH] flush icache on ia64 take2
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:15:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <469F71E7.4050200@bull.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070719220118.73f40346.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>

KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:

> But is it too costly that flushing icache page only if a page is newly
> installed into the system (PG_arch1) && it is mapped as executable ?

Well it was a bit long time ago, I measured on a Tiger box with
CPUs of 1.3 GHz:

Flushing a page of 64 Kbytes, with modified data in D-cache
(it's slower that not having modified data in the D-cache):

13.1 ... 14.7 usec.

You may have quicker machines, but having more CPUs or a NUMA architecture
can slow it down considerably:
- more CPUs have to agree that that's the moment to carry out a flush
- NUMA adds delay

We may have, say 1 Gbyte / sec local i/o activity (using some RAIDs).
Assume a few % of this 1 Gbyte is the program execution, or program swap in.
It gives some hundreds of new exec pages / sec =>
some msec-s can be lost each sec.

I can agree that it should not be a big deal :-)

> I don't want to leak this (stupid) corner case to the file system layer.
> Hmm...can't we do clever flushing (like your idea) in VM layer ?

As the VM layer is designed to be independent of the page read in stuff...

Thanks,

Zoltan

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Zoltan Menyhart <Zoltan.Menyhart@bull.net>
To: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, tony.luck@intel.com, nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au,
	mike@stroyan.net, dmosberger@gmail.com, y-goto@jp.fujitsu.com
Subject: Re: [BUGFIX]{PATCH] flush icache on ia64 take2
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:15:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <469F71E7.4050200@bull.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070719220118.73f40346.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>

KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:

> But is it too costly that flushing icache page only if a page is newly
> installed into the system (PG_arch1) && it is mapped as executable ?

Well it was a bit long time ago, I measured on a Tiger box with
CPUs of 1.3 GHz:

Flushing a page of 64 Kbytes, with modified data in D-cache
(it's slower that not having modified data in the D-cache):

13.1 ... 14.7 usec.

You may have quicker machines, but having more CPUs or a NUMA architecture
can slow it down considerably:
- more CPUs have to agree that that's the moment to carry out a flush
- NUMA adds delay

We may have, say 1 Gbyte / sec local i/o activity (using some RAIDs).
Assume a few % of this 1 Gbyte is the program execution, or program swap in.
It gives some hundreds of new exec pages / sec =>
some msec-s can be lost each sec.

I can agree that it should not be a big deal :-)

> I don't want to leak this (stupid) corner case to the file system layer.
> Hmm...can't we do clever flushing (like your idea) in VM layer ?

As the VM layer is designed to be independent of the page read in stuff...

Thanks,

Zoltan

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-07-19 14:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-06  2:29 [BUGFIX]{PATCH] flush icache on ia64 take2 KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-07-06  2:29 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-07-06  2:29 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-07-06  9:41 ` Zoltan Menyhart
2007-07-06  9:41   ` Zoltan Menyhart
2007-07-06  9:41   ` Zoltan Menyhart
2007-07-06  9:50   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-07-06  9:50     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-07-06  9:50     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-07-19  6:56 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-07-19  6:56   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-07-19  6:56   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-07-19 12:05   ` Zoltan Menyhart
2007-07-19 12:05     ` Zoltan Menyhart
2007-07-19 12:05     ` Zoltan Menyhart
2007-07-19 13:01     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-07-19 13:01       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-07-19 13:01       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-07-19 13:32       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-07-19 13:32         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-07-19 13:32         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-07-19 14:33         ` Zoltan Menyhart
2007-07-19 14:33           ` Zoltan Menyhart
2007-07-19 14:33           ` Zoltan Menyhart
2007-07-19 14:15       ` Zoltan Menyhart [this message]
2007-07-19 14:15         ` Zoltan Menyhart
2007-07-19 14:15         ` Zoltan Menyhart
2007-07-19 14:51         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-07-19 14:51           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-07-19 14:51           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-07-19 15:18           ` Zoltan Menyhart
2007-07-19 15:18             ` Zoltan Menyhart
2007-07-19 15:18             ` Zoltan Menyhart
2007-07-20  1:51             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-07-20  1:51               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-07-20  1:51               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2007-07-19 12:15   ` Zoltan Menyhart
2007-07-19 12:15     ` Zoltan Menyhart
2007-07-19 12:15     ` Zoltan Menyhart

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