strict/targeted merge snag

strict/targeted merge snag

[Christopher J. PeBenito]

If you're not familiar, the Reference Policy project is in the process
of merging the strict and targeted policies so that they no longer are
build options.  The idea behind this is that a user can incrementally
confine their system until they finally arrive at what is currently
considered the strict policy, without completely replacing the policy.

The way it works now is that if the unconfined module is not included in
the policy, the policy will be just like the strict policy now.  Once
the unconfined module is inserted, the policy will be similar to the
targeted policy now, with some differences.  Instead of using only one
role for the entire system, the confined roles (staff_r, sysadm_r, etc)
remain, and a new unconfined role is added.  This allows a mix of
confined and unconfined users on the system.  A handfull of domains will
also become unconfined, just like the targeted policy.

The issue that I just ran into has to do with the file contexts.
Currently most of the per_role_templates() have a corresponding set of
file contexts with HOME_DIR as part of the file specification.  In the
past, this has not been a problem since they are ifdef'ed out on the
targeted policy, and the per_role_templates() are expanded for each of
the user roles in the strict policy.  However, now strict and targeted
are the same policy, so if you map a linux user to unconfined_u,
genhomedircon expands out all of the HOME_DIR lines for unconfined, and
only a couple of the contexts are valid.

This will also be more of an issue going forward since additional user
roles are desired, and would like the per_role_templates() to be
explicitly called rather than done under the hood, so that the user
roles can be specified with a subset of the available
per_role_templates().

Thoughts?

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Re: strict/targeted merge snag

[Daniel J Walsh]

Christopher J. PeBenito wrote:
> If you're not familiar, the Reference Policy project is in the process
> of merging the strict and targeted policies so that they no longer are
> build options.  The idea behind this is that a user can incrementally
> confine their system until they finally arrive at what is currently
> considered the strict policy, without completely replacing the policy.
>
> The way it works now is that if the unconfined module is not included in
> the policy, the policy will be just like the strict policy now.  Once
> the unconfined module is inserted, the policy will be similar to the
> targeted policy now, with some differences.  Instead of using only one
> role for the entire system, the confined roles (staff_r, sysadm_r, etc)
> remain, and a new unconfined role is added.  This allows a mix of
> confined and unconfined users on the system.  A handfull of domains will
> also become unconfined, just like the targeted policy.
>
> The issue that I just ran into has to do with the file contexts.
> Currently most of the per_role_templates() have a corresponding set of
> file contexts with HOME_DIR as part of the file specification.  In the
> past, this has not been a problem since they are ifdef'ed out on the
> targeted policy, and the per_role_templates() are expanded for each of
> the user roles in the strict policy.  However, now strict and targeted
> are the same policy, so if you map a linux user to unconfined_u,
> genhomedircon expands out all of the HOME_DIR lines for unconfined, and
> only a couple of the contexts are valid.
>
> This will also be more of an issue going forward since additional user
> roles are desired, and would like the per_role_templates() to be
> explicitly called rather than done under the hood, so that the user
> roles can be specified with a subset of the available
> per_role_templates().
>
> Thoughts?
>
>   
genhomedircon now checks if the contexts are valid before assiging 
them.  So if it
thinks you need a xyz_gnome_t and the kernel says that does not exist, 
genhomedircon
throws it away.  Been that way in Fedora for a while,



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Re: strict/targeted merge snag

[Christopher J. PeBenito]

On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 12:02 -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
> Christopher J. PeBenito wrote:
> > If you're not familiar, the Reference Policy project is in the process
> > of merging the strict and targeted policies so that they no longer are
> > build options.  The idea behind this is that a user can incrementally
> > confine their system until they finally arrive at what is currently
> > considered the strict policy, without completely replacing the policy.
> >
> > The way it works now is that if the unconfined module is not included in
> > the policy, the policy will be just like the strict policy now.  Once
> > the unconfined module is inserted, the policy will be similar to the
> > targeted policy now, with some differences.  Instead of using only one
> > role for the entire system, the confined roles (staff_r, sysadm_r, etc)
> > remain, and a new unconfined role is added.  This allows a mix of
> > confined and unconfined users on the system.  A handfull of domains will
> > also become unconfined, just like the targeted policy.
> >
> > The issue that I just ran into has to do with the file contexts.
> > Currently most of the per_role_templates() have a corresponding set of
> > file contexts with HOME_DIR as part of the file specification.  In the
> > past, this has not been a problem since they are ifdef'ed out on the
> > targeted policy, and the per_role_templates() are expanded for each of
> > the user roles in the strict policy.  However, now strict and targeted
> > are the same policy, so if you map a linux user to unconfined_u,
> > genhomedircon expands out all of the HOME_DIR lines for unconfined, and
> > only a couple of the contexts are valid.
> >
> > This will also be more of an issue going forward since additional user
> > roles are desired, and would like the per_role_templates() to be
> > explicitly called rather than done under the hood, so that the user
> > roles can be specified with a subset of the available
> > per_role_templates().
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> >   
> genhomedircon now checks if the contexts are valid before assiging 
> them.  So if it
> thinks you need a xyz_gnome_t and the kernel says that does not exist, 
> genhomedircon
> throws it away.  Been that way in Fedora for a while,

Its not in the stable branch.  Also asking the kernel is not the correct
solution if libsemanage is working on a policy thats not active.

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Re: strict/targeted merge snag

[Daniel J Walsh]

Christopher J. PeBenito wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 12:02 -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
>   
>> Christopher J. PeBenito wrote:
>>     
>>> If you're not familiar, the Reference Policy project is in the process
>>> of merging the strict and targeted policies so that they no longer are
>>> build options.  The idea behind this is that a user can incrementally
>>> confine their system until they finally arrive at what is currently
>>> considered the strict policy, without completely replacing the policy.
>>>
>>> The way it works now is that if the unconfined module is not included in
>>> the policy, the policy will be just like the strict policy now.  Once
>>> the unconfined module is inserted, the policy will be similar to the
>>> targeted policy now, with some differences.  Instead of using only one
>>> role for the entire system, the confined roles (staff_r, sysadm_r, etc)
>>> remain, and a new unconfined role is added.  This allows a mix of
>>> confined and unconfined users on the system.  A handfull of domains will
>>> also become unconfined, just like the targeted policy.
>>>
>>> The issue that I just ran into has to do with the file contexts.
>>> Currently most of the per_role_templates() have a corresponding set of
>>> file contexts with HOME_DIR as part of the file specification.  In the
>>> past, this has not been a problem since they are ifdef'ed out on the
>>> targeted policy, and the per_role_templates() are expanded for each of
>>> the user roles in the strict policy.  However, now strict and targeted
>>> are the same policy, so if you map a linux user to unconfined_u,
>>> genhomedircon expands out all of the HOME_DIR lines for unconfined, and
>>> only a couple of the contexts are valid.
>>>
>>> This will also be more of an issue going forward since additional user
>>> roles are desired, and would like the per_role_templates() to be
>>> explicitly called rather than done under the hood, so that the user
>>> roles can be specified with a subset of the available
>>> per_role_templates().
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>> genhomedircon now checks if the contexts are valid before assiging 
>> them.  So if it
>> thinks you need a xyz_gnome_t and the kernel says that does not exist, 
>> genhomedircon
>> throws it away.  Been that way in Fedora for a while,
>>     
>
> Its not in the stable branch.  Also asking the kernel is not the correct
> solution if libsemanage is working on a policy thats not active.
>
>   

I am not sure genhomedircon is doing the right thing on the inactive 
policies now.  Since it is calling out to the system to get the policy 
path.  genhomedircon uses libselinux to find current policy not relying 
on libsemanage for this info.

Since this is advanced policy work, shouldn't you use the development 
policycoreutils?


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Re: strict/targeted merge snag

[Joshua Brindle]

Daniel J Walsh wrote:
> Christopher J. PeBenito wrote:
>> On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 12:02 -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
>>  
>>> Christopher J. PeBenito wrote:
>>>    
>>>> If you're not familiar, the Reference Policy project is in the process
>>>> of merging the strict and targeted policies so that they no longer are
>>>> build options.  The idea behind this is that a user can incrementally
>>>> confine their system until they finally arrive at what is currently
>>>> considered the strict policy, without completely replacing the policy.
>>>>
>>>> The way it works now is that if the unconfined module is not 
>>>> included in
>>>> the policy, the policy will be just like the strict policy now.  Once
>>>> the unconfined module is inserted, the policy will be similar to the
>>>> targeted policy now, with some differences.  Instead of using only one
>>>> role for the entire system, the confined roles (staff_r, sysadm_r, etc)
>>>> remain, and a new unconfined role is added.  This allows a mix of
>>>> confined and unconfined users on the system.  A handfull of domains 
>>>> will
>>>> also become unconfined, just like the targeted policy.
>>>>
>>>> The issue that I just ran into has to do with the file contexts.
>>>> Currently most of the per_role_templates() have a corresponding set of
>>>> file contexts with HOME_DIR as part of the file specification.  In the
>>>> past, this has not been a problem since they are ifdef'ed out on the
>>>> targeted policy, and the per_role_templates() are expanded for each of
>>>> the user roles in the strict policy.  However, now strict and targeted
>>>> are the same policy, so if you map a linux user to unconfined_u,
>>>> genhomedircon expands out all of the HOME_DIR lines for unconfined, and
>>>> only a couple of the contexts are valid.
>>>>
>>>> This will also be more of an issue going forward since additional user
>>>> roles are desired, and would like the per_role_templates() to be
>>>> explicitly called rather than done under the hood, so that the user
>>>> roles can be specified with a subset of the available
>>>> per_role_templates().
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> genhomedircon now checks if the contexts are valid before assiging 
>>> them.  So if it
>>> thinks you need a xyz_gnome_t and the kernel says that does not 
>>> exist, genhomedircon
>>> throws it away.  Been that way in Fedora for a while,
>>>     
>>
>> Its not in the stable branch.  Also asking the kernel is not the correct
>> solution if libsemanage is working on a policy thats not active.
>>
>>   
> 
> I am not sure genhomedircon is doing the right thing on the inactive 
> policies now.  Since it is calling out to the system to get the policy 
> path.  genhomedircon uses libselinux to find current policy not relying 
> on libsemanage for this info.
> 
> Since this is advanced policy work, shouldn't you use the development 
> policycoreutils?
> 

The libsemanage recode of genhomedircon will be operating on the current 
file_contexts so its possible that this restriction to valid contexts 
will be problematic, we'll probably need to make it operate on the 
policy that is currently loaded. I'll make sure this happens on the new 
version.


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Re: strict/targeted merge snag

[Stephen Smalley]

On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 16:52 +0000, Christopher J. PeBenito wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 12:02 -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
> > Christopher J. PeBenito wrote:
> > > If you're not familiar, the Reference Policy project is in the process
> > > of merging the strict and targeted policies so that they no longer are
> > > build options.  The idea behind this is that a user can incrementally
> > > confine their system until they finally arrive at what is currently
> > > considered the strict policy, without completely replacing the policy.
> > >
> > > The way it works now is that if the unconfined module is not included in
> > > the policy, the policy will be just like the strict policy now.  Once
> > > the unconfined module is inserted, the policy will be similar to the
> > > targeted policy now, with some differences.  Instead of using only one
> > > role for the entire system, the confined roles (staff_r, sysadm_r, etc)
> > > remain, and a new unconfined role is added.  This allows a mix of
> > > confined and unconfined users on the system.  A handfull of domains will
> > > also become unconfined, just like the targeted policy.
> > >
> > > The issue that I just ran into has to do with the file contexts.
> > > Currently most of the per_role_templates() have a corresponding set of
> > > file contexts with HOME_DIR as part of the file specification.  In the
> > > past, this has not been a problem since they are ifdef'ed out on the
> > > targeted policy, and the per_role_templates() are expanded for each of
> > > the user roles in the strict policy.  However, now strict and targeted
> > > are the same policy, so if you map a linux user to unconfined_u,
> > > genhomedircon expands out all of the HOME_DIR lines for unconfined, and
> > > only a couple of the contexts are valid.
> > >
> > > This will also be more of an issue going forward since additional user
> > > roles are desired, and would like the per_role_templates() to be
> > > explicitly called rather than done under the hood, so that the user
> > > roles can be specified with a subset of the available
> > > per_role_templates().
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> > >
> > >   
> > genhomedircon now checks if the contexts are valid before assiging 
> > them.  So if it
> > thinks you need a xyz_gnome_t and the kernel says that does not exist, 
> > genhomedircon
> > throws it away.  Been that way in Fedora for a while,
> 
> Its not in the stable branch.  Also asking the kernel is not the correct
> solution if libsemanage is working on a policy thats not active.

I see calls to selinux.security_check_context() in current stable and
trunk versions of genhomedircon.  trunk actually has a slightly more
correct form, by checking first whether selinux is even enabled on the
host, although both should be using some kind of semanage->sepol
interface for such checking as you note.  Note sure what the rewrite of
genhomedircon for libsemanage does.

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Re: strict/targeted merge snag

[Christopher J. PeBenito]

On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 13:42 -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
> Christopher J. PeBenito wrote:
> > On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 12:02 -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
> >   
> >> Christopher J. PeBenito wrote:
> >>     
> >>> If you're not familiar, the Reference Policy project is in the process
> >>> of merging the strict and targeted policies so that they no longer are
> >>> build options.  The idea behind this is that a user can incrementally
> >>> confine their system until they finally arrive at what is currently
> >>> considered the strict policy, without completely replacing the policy.
> >>>
> >>> The way it works now is that if the unconfined module is not included in
> >>> the policy, the policy will be just like the strict policy now.  Once
> >>> the unconfined module is inserted, the policy will be similar to the
> >>> targeted policy now, with some differences.  Instead of using only one
> >>> role for the entire system, the confined roles (staff_r, sysadm_r, etc)
> >>> remain, and a new unconfined role is added.  This allows a mix of
> >>> confined and unconfined users on the system.  A handfull of domains will
> >>> also become unconfined, just like the targeted policy.
> >>>
> >>> The issue that I just ran into has to do with the file contexts.
> >>> Currently most of the per_role_templates() have a corresponding set of
> >>> file contexts with HOME_DIR as part of the file specification.  In the
> >>> past, this has not been a problem since they are ifdef'ed out on the
> >>> targeted policy, and the per_role_templates() are expanded for each of
> >>> the user roles in the strict policy.  However, now strict and targeted
> >>> are the same policy, so if you map a linux user to unconfined_u,
> >>> genhomedircon expands out all of the HOME_DIR lines for unconfined, and
> >>> only a couple of the contexts are valid.
> >>>
> >>> This will also be more of an issue going forward since additional user
> >>> roles are desired, and would like the per_role_templates() to be
> >>> explicitly called rather than done under the hood, so that the user
> >>> roles can be specified with a subset of the available
> >>> per_role_templates().
> >>>
> >>> Thoughts?
> >>>
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >> genhomedircon now checks if the contexts are valid before assiging 
> >> them.  So if it
> >> thinks you need a xyz_gnome_t and the kernel says that does not exist, 
> >> genhomedircon
> >> throws it away.  Been that way in Fedora for a while,
> >>     
> >
> > Its not in the stable branch.  Also asking the kernel is not the correct
> > solution if libsemanage is working on a policy thats not active.
> >
> >   
> 
> I am not sure genhomedircon is doing the right thing on the inactive 
> policies now.  Since it is calling out to the system to get the policy 
> path.  genhomedircon uses libselinux to find current policy not relying 
> on libsemanage for this info.
> 
> Since this is advanced policy work, shouldn't you use the development 
> policycoreutils?

I try not to, otherwise the work can't go to trunk until that
policycoreutils goes stable.

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