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From: Robert Hancock <hancockr@shaw.ca>
To: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@hmh.eng.br>
Cc: Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>,
	Michael Sedkowski <sedmich@gmail.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Disk spin down issue on shut down/suspend to disk
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 18:14:24 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46B90AE0.2070403@shaw.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fa.Z030SpvZYAHux0f8UtlnJwatsvY@ifi.uio.no>

Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Aug 2007, Tejun Heo wrote:
>> emergency unload.  Emergency unload does shorten the lifespan of the
>> disk but you don't have to worry too much about it.  Disks are designed
>> to withstand certain number of emergency unloads.
> 
> You *do* have to worry about it in any box you turn off daily.  Desktop HDs
> will croak fast in that scenario, laptop HDs less so, but still too fast.
> 
> A very good laptop HD can last about 20k emergency unloads (this is a unit
> that can do about 600k normal unloads in its lifetime).  Desktop and server
> HDs don't even come close to those numbers, last time I checked.

It only matters on hard drives which actually use load-unload heads. 
Lots of desktop/server drives (perhaps some laptop ones as well) still 
use contact start/stop, which doesn't remove the heads from the platters 
on shutdown but just parks the heads over the landing zone. I don't 
think arbitrary power-offs make too much difference on those drives. 
(However, these generally aren't rated to handle as many start/stop 
cycles, which is why laptop drives generally use load/unload instead.)

-- 
Robert Hancock      Saskatoon, SK, Canada
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       reply	other threads:[~2007-08-08  0:14 UTC|newest]

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2007-08-08  0:14           ` Robert Hancock [this message]
2007-08-08  4:06             ` Disk spin down issue on shut down/suspend to disk Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-08-08  4:26               ` Robert Hancock
2007-08-08 18:58 Al Boldi
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2007-08-06 23:31           ` Robert Hancock
2007-08-07  6:41             ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-07 14:28               ` Robert Hancock
2007-08-07 14:37                 ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-07 14:45               ` Thomas Renninger
2007-08-07 19:23                 ` Michael Sedkowski
2007-08-07 20:09                   ` Maciej Rutecki
2007-08-07 20:33                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-07 20:41                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-07 21:28                         ` Maciej Rutecki
2007-08-07 22:30                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-08  9:29                           ` Michael Sedkowski
2007-08-08  9:29                             ` Michael Sedkowski
2007-08-08  2:56                       ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-08 12:24                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-09 21:46                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-08  2:54                   ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-08 14:08                     ` Mark Lord
2007-08-08 14:14                       ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-08 14:24                         ` Mark Lord
2007-08-08 14:30                           ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-08 15:21                           ` Mark Lord
2007-08-08 15:35                             ` Mark Lord
2007-08-08 15:35                               ` Mark Lord
2007-08-08 16:20                               ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-08 17:04                                 ` Mark Lord
2007-08-09 15:06               ` Pavel Machek
2007-08-09 18:47                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
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2007-08-08  0:23                 ` Robert Hancock
2007-08-08 12:27                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
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2007-08-11  2:21                   ` Robert Hancock
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-08-06 12:38 Michael Sedkowski
2007-08-06 12:34 Michael Sedkowski
2007-08-05 21:37 Michał sed
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2007-08-05 21:33 ` Michał sed
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2007-09-08 21:29     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-09-08 21:29       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-09-09  9:20       ` Maciek Rutecki
2007-09-09 11:35         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-06  5:22 ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-06 14:23   ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-08-06 14:50     ` Michael Sedkowski
2007-08-06 14:50       ` Michael Sedkowski
2007-08-06 15:01       ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-08-06 15:27         ` Michael Sedkowski
2007-08-06 15:27           ` Michael Sedkowski
2007-08-06 15:32         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-06 17:03           ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-06 18:21             ` Michael Sedkowski
2007-08-06 18:21               ` Michael Sedkowski
2007-08-06 18:43               ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-06 19:40                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-06 19:40                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-06 19:43                 ` Michael Sedkowski
2007-08-06 19:43                   ` Michael Sedkowski
2007-08-06 22:18                 ` Michael Sedkowski
2007-08-07  6:56                   ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-07  9:18                     ` Michael Sedkowski
2007-08-07  9:18                       ` Michael Sedkowski
2007-08-07  9:31                       ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-07  9:31                         ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-07 12:56                         ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-08-07  9:30                     ` Michael Sedkowski
2007-08-07  9:30                       ` Michael Sedkowski
2007-08-06 23:45                 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-08-07  6:53                   ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-07 12:51                     ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-08-07 13:04                       ` Thomas Renninger
2007-08-07 13:35                         ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-07 13:09                       ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-07 13:16                         ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-08-07 13:32                           ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-07 13:45                             ` Thomas Renninger
2007-08-07 14:01                               ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-09 15:16                                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-08-09 15:56                                   ` Thomas Renninger
2007-08-06 19:25               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-06 19:25                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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