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From: Avi Kivity <avi-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
To: Luca Tettamanti <kronos.it-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: kvm-devel-TtF/mJH4Jtrk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org,
	malc <av1474-3kx9bbwexCU@public.gmane.org>,
	qemu-devel-qX2TKyscuCcdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] Rework alarm timer infrastrucure -	take2
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:02:07 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46CBC34F.6060601@qumranet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070821193834.GB13544-sTXFmx6KbOnUXq0IF5SVAZ4oGUkBHcCu@public.gmane.org>

Luca Tettamanti wrote:

> Actually I'm having troubles with cyclesoak (probably it's calibration),
> numbers are not very stable across multiple runs...
>   

I've had good results with cyclesoak; maybe you need to run it in
runlevel 3 so the load generated by moving the mouse or breathing
doesn't affect meaurements.

> I've also tried APC which was suggested by malc[1] and:
> - readings are far more stable
> - the gap between dynticks and non-dynticks seems not significant
>
>   
>> Can you verify this by running
>>
>>    strace -c -p `pgrep qemu` & sleep 10; pkill strace
>>
>> for all 4 cases, and posting the results?
>>     
>
> Plain QEMU:
>
> With dynticks:
>
> % time     seconds  usecs/call     calls    errors syscall
> ------ ----------- ----------- --------- --------- ----------------
>  57.97    0.000469           0     13795           clock_gettime
>  32.88    0.000266           0      1350           gettimeofday
>   7.42    0.000060           0      1423      1072 sigreturn
>   1.73    0.000014           0      5049           timer_gettime
>   0.00    0.000000           0      1683      1072 select
>   0.00    0.000000           0      2978           timer_settime
> ------ ----------- ----------- --------- --------- ----------------
> 100.00    0.000809                 26278      2144 total
>   

The 1072 select() errors are the delivered ticks (EINTR).  But why only
1000?  would have expected 10000 for a 1000Hz guest in a 10 sec period.

> HPET:
>
> % time     seconds  usecs/call     calls    errors syscall
> ------ ----------- ----------- --------- --------- ----------------
>  87.48    0.010459           1     10381     10050 select
>   8.45    0.001010           0     40736           clock_gettime
>   2.73    0.000326           0     10049           gettimeofday
>   1.35    0.000161           0     10086     10064 sigreturn
> ------ ----------- ----------- --------- --------- ----------------
> 100.00    0.011956                 71252     20114 total
>   

This is expected.  1 tick per millisecond.

> Unix (SIGALRM):
>
> % time     seconds  usecs/call     calls    errors syscall
> ------ ----------- ----------- --------- --------- ----------------
>  90.36    0.011663           1     10291      9959 select
>   7.38    0.000953           0     40355           clock_gettime
>   2.05    0.000264           0      9960           gettimeofday
>   0.21    0.000027           0      9985      9969 sigreturn
> ------ ----------- ----------- --------- --------- ----------------
> 100.00    0.012907                 70591     19928 total
>   

Same here.

> And KVM:
>
> dynticks:
>
> % time     seconds  usecs/call     calls    errors syscall
> ------ ----------- ----------- --------- --------- ----------------
>  78.90    0.004001           1      6681      5088 rt_sigtimedwait
>  10.87    0.000551           0     27901           clock_gettime
>   4.93    0.000250           0      7622           timer_settime
>   4.30    0.000218           0     10078           timer_gettime
>   0.39    0.000020           0      3863           gettimeofday
>   0.35    0.000018           0      6054           ioctl
>   0.26    0.000013           0      4196           select
>   0.00    0.000000           0      1593           rt_sigaction
> ------ ----------- ----------- --------- --------- ----------------
> 100.00    0.005071                 67988      5088 total
>   

kvm uses sigtimedwait() to wait for signals.  Here, an error (ETIMEDOUT)
indicates we did _not_ get a wakeup, so there are 1500 wakeups in a 10
second period.  Strange.  Some calibration error?

> HPET:
>
> % time     seconds  usecs/call     calls    errors syscall
> ------ ----------- ----------- --------- --------- ----------------
>  90.20    0.011029           0     32437     22244 rt_sigtimedwait
>   4.46    0.000545           0     44164           clock_gettime
>   2.59    0.000317           0     12128           gettimeofday
>   1.50    0.000184           0     10193           rt_sigaction
>   1.10    0.000134           0     12461           select
>   0.15    0.000018           0      6060           ioctl
> ------ ----------- ----------- --------- --------- ----------------
> 100.00    0.012227                117443     22244 total
>   

10K wakeups per second.  The code is not particularly efficient (11
syscalls per tick), but overhead is still low.

> Unix:
>
> % time     seconds  usecs/call     calls    errors syscall
> ------ ----------- ----------- --------- --------- ----------------
>  83.29    0.012522           0     31652     21709 rt_sigtimedwait
>   6.91    0.001039           0     43125           clock_gettime
>   3.50    0.000526           0      6042           ioctl
>   2.74    0.000412           0      9943           rt_sigaction
>   1.98    0.000298           0     12183           select
>   1.58    0.000238           0     11850           gettimeofday
> ------ ----------- ----------- --------- --------- ----------------
> 100.00    0.015035                114795     21709 total
>   

Same thing.

> The guest is an idle kernel with HZ=1000.
>   

Can you double check this?  The dyntick results show that this is either
a 100Hz kernel, or that there is a serious bug in dynticks.

-- 
Do not meddle in the internals of kernels, for they are subtle and quick to panic.


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From: Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>
To: Luca Tettamanti <kronos.it@gmail.com>
Cc: kvm-devel@lists.sf.net, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: [Qemu-devel] Re: [kvm-devel] [PATCH 0/4] Rework alarm timer infrastrucure -	take2
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:02:07 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <46CBC34F.6060601@qumranet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070821193834.GB13544@dreamland.darkstar.lan>

Luca Tettamanti wrote:

> Actually I'm having troubles with cyclesoak (probably it's calibration),
> numbers are not very stable across multiple runs...
>   

I've had good results with cyclesoak; maybe you need to run it in
runlevel 3 so the load generated by moving the mouse or breathing
doesn't affect meaurements.

> I've also tried APC which was suggested by malc[1] and:
> - readings are far more stable
> - the gap between dynticks and non-dynticks seems not significant
>
>   
>> Can you verify this by running
>>
>>    strace -c -p `pgrep qemu` & sleep 10; pkill strace
>>
>> for all 4 cases, and posting the results?
>>     
>
> Plain QEMU:
>
> With dynticks:
>
> % time     seconds  usecs/call     calls    errors syscall
> ------ ----------- ----------- --------- --------- ----------------
>  57.97    0.000469           0     13795           clock_gettime
>  32.88    0.000266           0      1350           gettimeofday
>   7.42    0.000060           0      1423      1072 sigreturn
>   1.73    0.000014           0      5049           timer_gettime
>   0.00    0.000000           0      1683      1072 select
>   0.00    0.000000           0      2978           timer_settime
> ------ ----------- ----------- --------- --------- ----------------
> 100.00    0.000809                 26278      2144 total
>   

The 1072 select() errors are the delivered ticks (EINTR).  But why only
1000?  would have expected 10000 for a 1000Hz guest in a 10 sec period.

> HPET:
>
> % time     seconds  usecs/call     calls    errors syscall
> ------ ----------- ----------- --------- --------- ----------------
>  87.48    0.010459           1     10381     10050 select
>   8.45    0.001010           0     40736           clock_gettime
>   2.73    0.000326           0     10049           gettimeofday
>   1.35    0.000161           0     10086     10064 sigreturn
> ------ ----------- ----------- --------- --------- ----------------
> 100.00    0.011956                 71252     20114 total
>   

This is expected.  1 tick per millisecond.

> Unix (SIGALRM):
>
> % time     seconds  usecs/call     calls    errors syscall
> ------ ----------- ----------- --------- --------- ----------------
>  90.36    0.011663           1     10291      9959 select
>   7.38    0.000953           0     40355           clock_gettime
>   2.05    0.000264           0      9960           gettimeofday
>   0.21    0.000027           0      9985      9969 sigreturn
> ------ ----------- ----------- --------- --------- ----------------
> 100.00    0.012907                 70591     19928 total
>   

Same here.

> And KVM:
>
> dynticks:
>
> % time     seconds  usecs/call     calls    errors syscall
> ------ ----------- ----------- --------- --------- ----------------
>  78.90    0.004001           1      6681      5088 rt_sigtimedwait
>  10.87    0.000551           0     27901           clock_gettime
>   4.93    0.000250           0      7622           timer_settime
>   4.30    0.000218           0     10078           timer_gettime
>   0.39    0.000020           0      3863           gettimeofday
>   0.35    0.000018           0      6054           ioctl
>   0.26    0.000013           0      4196           select
>   0.00    0.000000           0      1593           rt_sigaction
> ------ ----------- ----------- --------- --------- ----------------
> 100.00    0.005071                 67988      5088 total
>   

kvm uses sigtimedwait() to wait for signals.  Here, an error (ETIMEDOUT)
indicates we did _not_ get a wakeup, so there are 1500 wakeups in a 10
second period.  Strange.  Some calibration error?

> HPET:
>
> % time     seconds  usecs/call     calls    errors syscall
> ------ ----------- ----------- --------- --------- ----------------
>  90.20    0.011029           0     32437     22244 rt_sigtimedwait
>   4.46    0.000545           0     44164           clock_gettime
>   2.59    0.000317           0     12128           gettimeofday
>   1.50    0.000184           0     10193           rt_sigaction
>   1.10    0.000134           0     12461           select
>   0.15    0.000018           0      6060           ioctl
> ------ ----------- ----------- --------- --------- ----------------
> 100.00    0.012227                117443     22244 total
>   

10K wakeups per second.  The code is not particularly efficient (11
syscalls per tick), but overhead is still low.

> Unix:
>
> % time     seconds  usecs/call     calls    errors syscall
> ------ ----------- ----------- --------- --------- ----------------
>  83.29    0.012522           0     31652     21709 rt_sigtimedwait
>   6.91    0.001039           0     43125           clock_gettime
>   3.50    0.000526           0      6042           ioctl
>   2.74    0.000412           0      9943           rt_sigaction
>   1.98    0.000298           0     12183           select
>   1.58    0.000238           0     11850           gettimeofday
> ------ ----------- ----------- --------- --------- ----------------
> 100.00    0.015035                114795     21709 total
>   

Same thing.

> The guest is an idle kernel with HZ=1000.
>   

Can you double check this?  The dyntick results show that this is either
a 100Hz kernel, or that there is a serious bug in dynticks.

-- 
Do not meddle in the internals of kernels, for they are subtle and quick to panic.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-08-22  5:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-17 23:11 [PATCH 0/4] Rework alarm timer infrastrucure - take 2 Luca Tettamanti
2007-08-17 23:11 ` [Qemu-devel] " Luca Tettamanti
2007-08-17 23:11 ` [PATCH 1/4] Rework alarm timer infrastrucure Luca Tettamanti
2007-08-17 23:11   ` [Qemu-devel] " Luca Tettamanti
2007-08-17 23:11 ` [PATCH 2/4] Add -clock option Luca Tettamanti
2007-08-17 23:11   ` [Qemu-devel] " Luca Tettamanti
2007-08-17 23:11 ` [PATCH 3/4] Add support for HPET periodic timer Luca Tettamanti
2007-08-17 23:11   ` [Qemu-devel] " Luca Tettamanti
     [not found]   ` <20070817231406.493008599-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-21 19:24     ` Matthew Kent
2007-08-21 19:24       ` Matthew Kent
2007-08-21 19:40       ` Luca
2007-08-21 19:40         ` Luca
     [not found]         ` <68676e00708211240k7237bf21k131257dd28063d26-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-21 20:15           ` Matthew Kent
2007-08-21 20:15             ` Matthew Kent
2007-08-22  6:48             ` Dan Kenigsberg
2007-08-22  6:48               ` [kvm-devel] " Dan Kenigsberg
     [not found]               ` <20070822064851.GA16295-RO/WWmT55CHJJbofclyLPCHBx9XpghdU@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-22  7:03                 ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-22  7:03                   ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
     [not found]                   ` <46CBDFC4.5060207-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-22 12:34                     ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-22 12:34                       ` [kvm-devel] " Andi Kleen
     [not found]                       ` <20070822123424.GK2642-KvMlXPVkKihbpigZmTR7Iw@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-22 21:11                         ` Dan Kenigsberg
2007-08-22 21:11                           ` [kvm-devel] " Dan Kenigsberg
     [not found]                           ` <20070822211150.GA22093-RO/WWmT55CHJJbofclyLPCHBx9XpghdU@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-22 22:09                             ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-22 22:09                               ` [kvm-devel] " Andi Kleen
     [not found]                               ` <20070822220947.GK8058-KvMlXPVkKihbpigZmTR7Iw@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-23  7:02                                 ` Dan Kenigsberg
2007-08-23  7:02                                   ` [kvm-devel] " Dan Kenigsberg
     [not found]                                   ` <20070823070230.GA24942-RO/WWmT55CHJJbofclyLPCHBx9XpghdU@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-24 20:18                                     ` Luca
2007-08-24 20:18                                       ` [kvm-devel] " Luca
2007-08-25  8:24                                       ` Dan Kenigsberg
2007-09-03  8:40         ` GUERRAZ Francois
2007-08-17 23:11 ` [PATCH 4/4] Add support for dynamic ticks Luca Tettamanti
2007-08-17 23:11   ` [Qemu-devel] " Luca Tettamanti
     [not found] ` <20070817231149.544849769-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-17 23:48   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/4] Rework alarm timer infrastrucure - take 2 Christian MICHON
2007-08-17 23:48     ` Christian MICHON
     [not found]     ` <46d6db660708171648m3a798685q6514261bc097bc62-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-18  0:10       ` Luca
2007-08-18  0:10         ` [kvm-devel] " Luca
2007-08-18 15:17   ` Anthony Liguori
2007-08-18 15:17     ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [kvm-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2007-08-18 16:53     ` [Qemu-devel] RE: [kvm-devel] [PATCH 0/4] Rework alarm timer infrastrucure - take2 Dor Laor
     [not found]       ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160D4645F0-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-18 22:02         ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-08-18 22:02           ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [kvm-devel] " Luca Tettamanti
     [not found]           ` <20070818220252.GA19526-sTXFmx6KbOnUXq0IF5SVAZ4oGUkBHcCu@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-18 23:58             ` Anthony Liguori
2007-08-18 23:58               ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [kvm-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2007-08-19  7:36               ` [PATCH 0/4] Rework alarm timer infrastrucure -take2 Dor Laor
2007-08-19  7:36                 ` [Qemu-devel] RE: [kvm-devel] " Dor Laor
2007-08-19  8:24               ` [PATCH 0/4] Rework alarm timer infrastrucure - take2 Avi Kivity
2007-08-19  8:24                 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
     [not found]                 ` <46C7FE32.4050309-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-19 13:10                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Jamie Lokier
2007-08-19 13:10                     ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [kvm-devel] " Jamie Lokier
     [not found]                     ` <20070819131042.GA22798-tp2ajI7sM85Y6zH9YvfY1x2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-19 13:48                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2007-08-19 13:48                         ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
     [not found]                         ` <46C84A16.7040305-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-19 13:57                           ` Paul Brook
2007-08-19 13:57                             ` [kvm-devel] " Paul Brook
     [not found]                             ` <200708191457.21237.paul-qD8j1LwMmJjtCj0u4l0SBw@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-19 14:07                               ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-19 14:07                                 ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                 ` <46C84E95.7070802-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-19 14:27                                   ` Dor Laor
2007-08-19 14:27                                     ` [kvm-devel] " Dor Laor
2007-08-20  9:25                                   ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-20  9:25                                     ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2007-08-19 17:15                               ` Jamie Lokier
2007-08-19 17:15                                 ` [kvm-devel] " Jamie Lokier
     [not found]                                 ` <20070819171545.GB16928-tp2ajI7sM85Y6zH9YvfY1x2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-19 19:29                                   ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 0/4] Rework alarmtimer " Dor Laor
2007-08-19 19:29                                     ` [kvm-devel] " Dor Laor
2007-08-19 19:30                                   ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [PATCH 0/4] Rework alarm timer " Avi Kivity
2007-08-19 19:30                                     ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2007-08-19 16:52             ` Luca
2007-08-19 16:52               ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [kvm-devel] " Luca
     [not found]               ` <68676e00708190952g7d4751c2g87a6ff71dd278f71-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-19 19:31                 ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-19 19:31                   ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
     [not found]                   ` <46C89A8E.7040609-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-20 21:20                     ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-08-20 21:20                       ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [kvm-devel] " Luca Tettamanti
     [not found]                       ` <20070820212058.GA6713-sTXFmx6KbOnUXq0IF5SVAZ4oGUkBHcCu@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-20 21:55                         ` [Qemu-devel] " malc
2007-08-20 21:55                           ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [kvm-devel] " malc
     [not found]                           ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0708210140540.16421-KsBd/I2zj1m2ZGm1qqSgDg@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-20 22:49                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Luca
2007-08-20 22:49                               ` [kvm-devel] " Luca
2007-08-21 12:09                         ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-21 12:09                           ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
     [not found]                           ` <46CAD607.2080504-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-21 19:38                             ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-08-21 19:38                               ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [kvm-devel] " Luca Tettamanti
     [not found]                               ` <20070821193834.GB13544-sTXFmx6KbOnUXq0IF5SVAZ4oGUkBHcCu@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-21 19:44                                 ` malc
2007-08-21 19:44                                   ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [kvm-devel] " malc
2007-08-22  5:02                                 ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2007-08-22  5:02                                   ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                   ` <46CBC34F.6060601-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-22 16:12                                     ` Luca Tettamanti
2007-08-22 16:12                                       ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [kvm-devel] " Luca Tettamanti
     [not found]                                       ` <20070822161211.GA30147-sTXFmx6KbOnUXq0IF5SVAZ4oGUkBHcCu@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-22 16:21                                         ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-22 16:21                                           ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                           ` <46CC6285.3090904-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-22 16:38                                             ` Luca
2007-08-22 16:38                                               ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [kvm-devel] " Luca
     [not found]                                               ` <68676e00708220938y57c07edas705fc8360aefcb78-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-22 16:45                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2007-08-22 16:45                                                   ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                   ` <46CC680C.1030307-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-22 17:23                                                     ` Luca
2007-08-22 17:23                                                       ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [kvm-devel] " Luca
     [not found]                                                       ` <68676e00708221023m352c2de3y3b19188dbb9ef49e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-22 17:39                                                         ` Luca
2007-08-22 17:39                                                           ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [kvm-devel] " Luca
2007-08-22 19:21                                                         ` Luca
2007-08-22 19:21                                                           ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [kvm-devel] " Luca
     [not found]                                                           ` <68676e00708221221n6f8fcd67m9d15f7fea663ec71-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-22 21:35                                                             ` Dor Laor
2007-08-22 21:35                                                               ` [Qemu-devel] RE: [kvm-devel] " Dor Laor
     [not found]                                                               ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160D5042F3-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-08-22 22:07                                                                 ` Luca
2007-08-22 22:07                                                                   ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [kvm-devel] " Luca
2007-08-22 20:42                                                 ` Dan Kenigsberg
2007-08-22 20:42                                                   ` [Qemu-devel] Re: [kvm-devel] " Dan Kenigsberg
2007-08-18 16:53     ` Dor Laor

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