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From: Avi Kivity <avi-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
To: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka-kv7WeFo6aLtBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: High vm-exit latencies during kvm boot-up/shutdown
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:25:37 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4721B291.9050904@qumranet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4721AD49.7010405-kv7WeFo6aLtBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>

Jan Kiszka wrote:
> Dong, Eddie wrote:
>   
>> Avi Kivity wrote:
>>     
>>> Dong, Eddie wrote:
>>>       
>>>>> There's a two-liner required to make it work.  I'll add it soon.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> But you still needs to issue WBINVD to all pCPUs which just move
>>>> non-response time from one place to another, not?
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> You don't actually need to emulate wbinvd, you can just ignore it.
>>>
>>> The only reason I can think of to use wbinvd is if you're taking a cpu
>>> down (for a deep sleep state, or if you're shutting it off).  A guest
>>> need not do that. 
>>>
>>> Any other reason? dma?  all dma today is cache-coherent, no?
>>>
>>>       
>> For legacy PCI device, yes it is cache-cohetent, but for PCIe devices,
>> it is no longer a must. A PCIe device may not generate snoopy cycle
>> and thus require OS to flush cache.
>>
>> For example, a guest with direct device, say audio, can copy 
>> data to dma buffer and then wbinvd to flush cache out and ask HW 
>> DMA to output.
>>     
>
> So if you want the higher performance of PCIe you need
> performance-killing wbindv (not to speak of latency)? That sounds a bit
> contradictory to me. So this is also true for native PCIe usage?
>
>   

Yes, good point.  wbinvd is not only expensive in that it takes a long 
time to execute, it blows your caches so that anything that executes 
afterwards takes a huge hit.


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-10-26  9:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-10-22 23:09 High vm-exit latencies during kvm boot-up/shutdown Jan Kiszka
     [not found] ` <471D2D8C.1080202-S0/GAf8tV78@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-23  1:05   ` Dong, Eddie
     [not found]     ` <10EA09EFD8728347A513008B6B0DA77A02441127-wq7ZOvIWXbNpB2pF5aRoyrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-23  6:38       ` Jan Kiszka
     [not found]         ` <471D96DC.7070809-S0/GAf8tV78@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-23  7:46           ` Dong, Eddie
     [not found]             ` <10EA09EFD8728347A513008B6B0DA77A024414D9-wq7ZOvIWXbNpB2pF5aRoyrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-23  9:08               ` Jan Kiszka
     [not found]                 ` <471DBA1A.2080108-S0/GAf8tV78@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-23  9:46                   ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                     ` <471DC311.2050003-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-23 13:30                       ` Jan Kiszka
     [not found]                         ` <471DF76B.7040001-kv7WeFo6aLtBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-23 14:19                           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                             ` <471E02F7.6080408-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-23 14:41                               ` Jan Kiszka
     [not found]                                 ` <471E0818.6060405-kv7WeFo6aLtBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-23 14:44                                   ` Jan Kiszka
2007-10-23 15:26                                   ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                     ` <471E1290.2000208-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-23 15:59                                       ` Jan Kiszka
     [not found]                                         ` <471E1A77.90808-kv7WeFo6aLtBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-23 16:14                                           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                             ` <471E1DCD.5040301-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-23 16:31                                               ` Jan Kiszka
     [not found]                                                 ` <471E21D7.3000309-kv7WeFo6aLtBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-23 16:38                                                   ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                     ` <471E238E.6040005-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-23 16:56                                                       ` Jan Kiszka
     [not found]                                                         ` <471E27B0.1090001-kv7WeFo6aLtBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-23 17:05                                                           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                             ` <471E29C5.1060807-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-24  8:37                                                               ` Jan Kiszka
     [not found]                                                                 ` <471F0464.4000704-kv7WeFo6aLtBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-24  8:52                                                                   ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                                     ` <471F07C0.8040104-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-24  9:16                                                                       ` Jan Kiszka
     [not found]                                                                         ` <471F0D57.3020209-kv7WeFo6aLtBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-24  9:33                                                                           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                                             ` <471F116D.9080903-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-24 16:22                                                                               ` Jan Kiszka
     [not found]                                                                                 ` <471F7143.8040406-kv7WeFo6aLtBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-24 16:52                                                                                   ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                                                     ` <471F7865.7070506-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-25 17:50                                                                                       ` Jan Kiszka
     [not found]                                                                                         ` <4720D76D.7070300-kv7WeFo6aLtBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-25 18:02                                                                                           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                                                             ` <4720DA42.6090300-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-26  1:41                                                                                               ` Dong, Eddie
     [not found]                                                                                                 ` <10EA09EFD8728347A513008B6B0DA77A02482827-wq7ZOvIWXbNpB2pF5aRoyrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-26  8:20                                                                                                   ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                                                                     ` <4721A350.7030409-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-26  8:32                                                                                                       ` Dong, Eddie
     [not found]                                                                                                         ` <10EA09EFD8728347A513008B6B0DA77A02482B96-wq7ZOvIWXbNpB2pF5aRoyrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-26  9:03                                                                                                           ` Jan Kiszka
     [not found]                                                                                                             ` <4721AD49.7010405-kv7WeFo6aLtBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-26  9:18                                                                                                               ` Dong, Eddie
     [not found]                                                                                                                 ` <10EA09EFD8728347A513008B6B0DA77A02482BE4-wq7ZOvIWXbNpB2pF5aRoyrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-26  9:37                                                                                                                   ` Dor Laor
2007-10-26 12:21                                                                                                                   ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                                                                                     ` <4721DBE4.6040801-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-29  8:32                                                                                                                       ` Dong, Eddie
2007-10-26  9:25                                                                                                               ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2007-10-26  9:18                                                                                                           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                                                                                             ` <4721B0FD.9020006-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-26  9:36                                                                                                               ` Dong, Eddie
     [not found]                                                                                                                 ` <10EA09EFD8728347A513008B6B0DA77A02482BFE-wq7ZOvIWXbNpB2pF5aRoyrfspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-26  9:58                                                                                                                   ` Avi Kivity
2007-10-23 14:43                               ` Gregory Haskins
     [not found]                                 ` <1193150619.8343.21.camel-5CR4LY5GPkvLDviKLk5550HKjMygAv58XqFh9Ls21Oc@public.gmane.org>
2007-10-23 14:50                                   ` Jan Kiszka
2007-10-23  8:16           ` Avi Kivity

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