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From: Martin Bligh <mbligh@mbligh.org>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo@kvack.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, drepper@redhat.com,
	riel@redhat.com, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: OOM notifications
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:05:47 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <472256AB.6060109@mbligh.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071026140201.ae52757c.akpm@linux-foundation.org>

Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:15:31 -0400
> Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo@kvack.org> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>> AIX contains the SIGDANGER signal to notify applications to free up some
>> unused cached memory:
>>
>> http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0007.0/0901.html
>>
>> There have been a few discussions on implementing such an idea on Linux,
>> but nothing concrete has been achieved.
>>
>> On the kernel side Rik suggested two notification points: "about to
>> swap" (for desktop scenarios) and "about to OOM" (for embedded-like
>> scenarios).
>>
>> With that assumption in mind it would be necessary to either have two
>> special devices for notification, or somehow indicate both events
>> through the same file descriptor.
>>
>> Comments are more than welcome.
> 
> Martin was talking about some mad scheme wherin you'd create a bunch of
> pseudo files (say, /proc/foo/0, /proc/foo/1, ..., /proc/foo/9) and each one
> would become "ready" when the MM scanning priority reaches 10%, 20%, ... 
> 100%.
> 
> Obviously there would need to be a lot of abstraction to unhook a permanent
> userspace feature from a transient kernel implementation, but the basic
> idea is that a process which wants to know when the VM is getting into the
> orange zone would select() on the file "7" and a process which wants to
> know when the VM is getting into the red zone would select on file "9".
> 
> It get more complicated with NUMA memory nodes and cgroup memory
> controllers.

We ended up not doing that, but making a scanner that saw what
percentage of the LRU was touched in the last n seconds, and
printing that to userspace to deal with.

Turns out priority is a horrible metric to use for this - it
stays at default for ages, then falls off a cliff far too
quickly to react to.


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From: Martin Bligh <mbligh@mbligh.org>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo@kvack.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, drepper@redhat.com,
	riel@redhat.com, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: OOM notifications
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:05:47 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <472256AB.6060109@mbligh.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071026140201.ae52757c.akpm@linux-foundation.org>

Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:15:31 -0400
> Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo@kvack.org> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>> AIX contains the SIGDANGER signal to notify applications to free up some
>> unused cached memory:
>>
>> http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0007.0/0901.html
>>
>> There have been a few discussions on implementing such an idea on Linux,
>> but nothing concrete has been achieved.
>>
>> On the kernel side Rik suggested two notification points: "about to
>> swap" (for desktop scenarios) and "about to OOM" (for embedded-like
>> scenarios).
>>
>> With that assumption in mind it would be necessary to either have two
>> special devices for notification, or somehow indicate both events
>> through the same file descriptor.
>>
>> Comments are more than welcome.
> 
> Martin was talking about some mad scheme wherin you'd create a bunch of
> pseudo files (say, /proc/foo/0, /proc/foo/1, ..., /proc/foo/9) and each one
> would become "ready" when the MM scanning priority reaches 10%, 20%, ... 
> 100%.
> 
> Obviously there would need to be a lot of abstraction to unhook a permanent
> userspace feature from a transient kernel implementation, but the basic
> idea is that a process which wants to know when the VM is getting into the
> orange zone would select() on the file "7" and a process which wants to
> know when the VM is getting into the red zone would select on file "9".
> 
> It get more complicated with NUMA memory nodes and cgroup memory
> controllers.

We ended up not doing that, but making a scanner that saw what
percentage of the LRU was touched in the last n seconds, and
printing that to userspace to deal with.

Turns out priority is a horrible metric to use for this - it
stays at default for ages, then falls off a cliff far too
quickly to react to.

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  reply	other threads:[~2007-10-26 21:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-10-18 20:15 OOM notifications Marcelo Tosatti
2007-10-26 21:02 ` Andrew Morton
2007-10-26 21:02   ` Andrew Morton
2007-10-26 21:05   ` Martin Bligh [this message]
2007-10-26 21:05     ` Martin Bligh
2007-10-26 21:11     ` Andrew Morton
2007-10-26 21:11       ` Andrew Morton
2007-10-26 21:35       ` Rik van Riel
2007-10-26 21:35         ` Rik van Riel
2007-10-26 21:59         ` Martin Bligh
2007-10-26 21:59           ` Martin Bligh
2007-10-26 22:30           ` Rik van Riel
2007-10-26 22:30             ` Rik van Riel
2007-10-28 21:16   ` Balbir Singh
2007-10-28 21:16     ` Balbir Singh
2007-10-30 14:57 ` Jan Kara
2007-10-30 15:23   ` Rik van Riel
2007-10-30 15:55     ` Jan Kara
2007-10-30 17:31       ` Rik van Riel
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-10-18 20:25 Marcelo Tosatti
2007-10-18 20:38 ` Rene Herman
2007-10-18 20:52   ` Rik van Riel
2007-10-18 21:06     ` Rene Herman
2007-10-18 21:18       ` Rik van Riel
2007-10-18 22:01         ` Rene Herman
2007-10-18 22:10           ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-10-19  5:15             ` Chris Friesen
2007-10-19 10:17             ` Pavel Machek
2007-10-19 15:18               ` Samuel Tardieu
2007-10-19 16:58                 ` Chris Friesen
2007-10-18 22:16           ` Rene Herman

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