[Xenomai-help] task rate control with alarm and semaphore

[Xenomai-help] task rate control with alarm and semaphore

[MEYLAN Jean-philippe]

Hello,

I'm working on the creation of a Xenomai target for Mathwork's
Real Time Workshop. In order to achieve this, I would like to 
control the execution rate of a task with a semaphore periodically
released by an alarm handler. The tasks does nothing else but waiting
(in a loop) on the semaphore. If the task can immediately take 
the sempahore, it means that the rate is too fast for it because
the semaphore has been released before the end of its current iteration.

My problem is that I cannot decrease the alarm period under 40us
without facing this situation. I cannot figure what is the cause of
all that overhead (maybe it comes from the rt_alarm_wait call ?). I
have tried to use event flags instead of semaphores but I get the
same results.

Do you have any idea ?

Here is the code of the main task and the alarm handler:

void tBaseRate(void * cookie)
{
  while (1) {
    if (rt_sem_p(&rtClockSem, TM_NONBLOCK) == 0) {
      printf("Rate for BaseRate task too fast.\n");
    } else {
      rt_sem_p(&rtClockSem, TM_INFINITE);
    }
}

void clockHandler(void * cookie)
{
  int status;
  while (1) {
    status = rt_alarm_wait(&clockDesc);
    if (!status) {
      status = rt_sem_v(&rtClockSem);
      if (status)
        printf ("Semaphore error : %d\n", status);
    } else
      printf ("Alarm error: %d\n", status);
  }
}

Thank you very much.

Best regards,

Jean-Philippe Meylan

Re: [Xenomai-help] task rate control with alarm and semaphore

[ROSSIER Daniel]

>-----Original Message-----
>From: xenomai-help-bounces@domain.hid
[mailto:xenomai-help-bounces@domain.hid]
>On Behalf Of MEYLAN Jean-philippe
>Sent: mercredi 31 octobre 2007 11:46
>To: xenomai@xenomai.org
>Subject: [Xenomai-help] task rate control with alarm and semaphore
>
>Hello,
>
>I'm working on the creation of a Xenomai target for Mathwork's
>Real Time Workshop. In order to achieve this, I would like to
>control the execution rate of a task with a semaphore periodically
>released by an alarm handler. The tasks does nothing else but waiting
>(in a loop) on the semaphore. If the task can immediately take
>the sempahore, it means that the rate is too fast for it because
>the semaphore has been released before the end of its current
iteration.
>
>My problem is that I cannot decrease the alarm period under 40us
>without facing this situation. I cannot figure what is the cause of
>all that overhead (maybe it comes from the rt_alarm_wait call ?). I
>have tried to use event flags instead of semaphores but I get the
>same results.
>
>Do you have any idea ?
>
>Here is the code of the main task and the alarm handler:
>
>void tBaseRate(void * cookie)
>{
>  while (1) {
>    if (rt_sem_p(&rtClockSem, TM_NONBLOCK) == 0) {
>      printf("Rate for BaseRate task too fast.\n");
>    } else {
>      rt_sem_p(&rtClockSem, TM_INFINITE);
>    }
>}
>
>void clockHandler(void * cookie)
>{
>  int status;
>  while (1) {
>    status = rt_alarm_wait(&clockDesc);
>    if (!status) {
>      status = rt_sem_v(&rtClockSem);
>      if (status)
>        printf ("Semaphore error : %d\n", status);
>    } else
>      printf ("Alarm error: %d\n", status);
>  }
>}

This example is very interesting. To make sense, the semaphore must be
initialized to 0 so that
the first invokation to rt_sem_p() in tBaseRate will suspend the task.
But if the message
"Rate for BaseRate task too fast" is displayed the next loop, it means
that the time elapsed between
the alarm and the next rt_sem_p() is more than 40us. Weird. Having a IRQ
latency of about 5us, it means
that the nucleus spend 35us to handle the switch between the alarm and
the task itself.

Enabling the i-pipe tracer would be a good thing to see what happens in
the kernel.

>
>Thank you very much.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Jean-Philippe Meylan
>
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Daniel

Re: [Xenomai-help] task rate control with alarm and semaphore

[Gilles Chanteperdrix]

ROSSIER Daniel wrote:
 > >-----Original Message-----
 > >From: xenomai-help-bounces@domain.hid
 > [mailto:xenomai-help-bounces@domain.hid]
 > >On Behalf Of MEYLAN Jean-philippe
 > >Sent: mercredi 31 octobre 2007 11:46
 > >To: xenomai@xenomai.org
 > >Subject: [Xenomai-help] task rate control with alarm and semaphore
 > >
 > >Hello,
 > >
 > >I'm working on the creation of a Xenomai target for Mathwork's
 > >Real Time Workshop. In order to achieve this, I would like to
 > >control the execution rate of a task with a semaphore periodically
 > >released by an alarm handler. The tasks does nothing else but waiting
 > >(in a loop) on the semaphore. If the task can immediately take
 > >the sempahore, it means that the rate is too fast for it because
 > >the semaphore has been released before the end of its current
 > iteration.
 > >
 > >My problem is that I cannot decrease the alarm period under 40us
 > >without facing this situation. I cannot figure what is the cause of
 > >all that overhead (maybe it comes from the rt_alarm_wait call ?). I
 > >have tried to use event flags instead of semaphores but I get the
 > >same results.
 > >
 > >Do you have any idea ?
 > >
 > >Here is the code of the main task and the alarm handler:
 > >
 > >void tBaseRate(void * cookie)
 > >{
 > >  while (1) {
 > >    if (rt_sem_p(&rtClockSem, TM_NONBLOCK) == 0) {
 > >      printf("Rate for BaseRate task too fast.\n");
 > >    } else {
 > >      rt_sem_p(&rtClockSem, TM_INFINITE);
 > >    }
 > >}
 > >
 > >void clockHandler(void * cookie)
 > >{
 > >  int status;
 > >  while (1) {
 > >    status = rt_alarm_wait(&clockDesc);
 > >    if (!status) {
 > >      status = rt_sem_v(&rtClockSem);
 > >      if (status)
 > >        printf ("Semaphore error : %d\n", status);
 > >    } else
 > >      printf ("Alarm error: %d\n", status);
 > >  }
 > >}
 > 
 > This example is very interesting. To make sense, the semaphore must be
 > initialized to 0 so that
 > the first invokation to rt_sem_p() in tBaseRate will suspend the task.
 > But if the message
 > "Rate for BaseRate task too fast" is displayed the next loop, it means
 > that the time elapsed between
 > the alarm and the next rt_sem_p() is more than 40us. Weird. Having a IRQ
 > latency of about 5us, it means
 > that the nucleus spend 35us to handle the switch between the alarm and
 > the task itself.

The interrupt latency is one thing, here you have two context switches
after the interrupt, which basically means that the latency is at least
twice the _scheduling_ latency.

-- 


					    Gilles Chanteperdrix.

Re: [Xenomai-help] task rate control with alarm and semaphore

[ROSSIER Daniel]

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gilles Chanteperdrix [mailto:gilles.chanteperdrix@xenomai.org]
>Sent: mercredi 31 octobre 2007 20:22
>To: ROSSIER Daniel
>Cc: MEYLAN Jean-philippe; xenomai@xenomai.org
>Subject: Re: [Xenomai-help] task rate control with alarm and semaphore
>
>ROSSIER Daniel wrote:
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: xenomai-help-bounces@domain.hid
> > [mailto:xenomai-help-bounces@domain.hid]
> > >On Behalf Of MEYLAN Jean-philippe
> > >Sent: mercredi 31 octobre 2007 11:46
> > >To: xenomai@xenomai.org
> > >Subject: [Xenomai-help] task rate control with alarm and semaphore
> > >
> > >Hello,
> > >
> > >I'm working on the creation of a Xenomai target for Mathwork's
> > >Real Time Workshop. In order to achieve this, I would like to
> > >control the execution rate of a task with a semaphore periodically
> > >released by an alarm handler. The tasks does nothing else but
>waiting
> > >(in a loop) on the semaphore. If the task can immediately take
> > >the sempahore, it means that the rate is too fast for it because
> > >the semaphore has been released before the end of its current
> > iteration.
> > >
> > >My problem is that I cannot decrease the alarm period under 40us
> > >without facing this situation. I cannot figure what is the cause of
> > >all that overhead (maybe it comes from the rt_alarm_wait call ?). I
> > >have tried to use event flags instead of semaphores but I get the
> > >same results.
> > >
> > >Do you have any idea ?
> > >
> > >Here is the code of the main task and the alarm handler:
> > >
> > >void tBaseRate(void * cookie)
> > >{
> > >  while (1) {
> > >    if (rt_sem_p(&rtClockSem, TM_NONBLOCK) == 0) {
> > >      printf("Rate for BaseRate task too fast.\n");
> > >    } else {
> > >      rt_sem_p(&rtClockSem, TM_INFINITE);
> > >    }
> > >}
> > >
> > >void clockHandler(void * cookie)
> > >{
> > >  int status;
> > >  while (1) {
> > >    status = rt_alarm_wait(&clockDesc);
> > >    if (!status) {
> > >      status = rt_sem_v(&rtClockSem);
> > >      if (status)
> > >        printf ("Semaphore error : %d\n", status);
> > >    } else
> > >      printf ("Alarm error: %d\n", status);
> > >  }
> > >}
> >
> > This example is very interesting. To make sense, the semaphore must
>be
> > initialized to 0 so that
> > the first invokation to rt_sem_p() in tBaseRate will suspend the
>task.
> > But if the message
> > "Rate for BaseRate task too fast" is displayed the next loop, it
>means
> > that the time elapsed between
> > the alarm and the next rt_sem_p() is more than 40us. Weird. Having a
>IRQ
> > latency of about 5us, it means
> > that the nucleus spend 35us to handle the switch between the alarm
>and
> > the task itself.
>
>The interrupt latency is one thing, here you have two context switches
>after the interrupt, which basically means that the latency is at least
>twice the _scheduling_ latency.
>

Thanks Gilles; for You, does the scheduling latency seem to be honest
(something like 17-18us) ?
(I know that this scheme could be simpler with a periodic task, but the
goal here is to perform
a comparison between Xenomai and RTOS-32, therefore we try to keep the
same conditions; so far,
RTOS-32 supports an alarm rated at 10us).

>--
>
>
>					    Gilles Chanteperdrix.

Daniel

Re: [Xenomai-help] task rate control with alarm and semaphore

[Philippe Gerum]

ROSSIER Daniel wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gilles Chanteperdrix [mailto:gilles.chanteperdrix@xenomai.org]
>> Sent: mercredi 31 octobre 2007 20:22
>> To: ROSSIER Daniel
>> Cc: MEYLAN Jean-philippe; xenomai@xenomai.org
>> Subject: Re: [Xenomai-help] task rate control with alarm and semaphore
>>
>> ROSSIER Daniel wrote:
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: xenomai-help-bounces@domain.hid
>>> [mailto:xenomai-help-bounces@domain.hid]
>>>> On Behalf Of MEYLAN Jean-philippe
>>>> Sent: mercredi 31 octobre 2007 11:46
>>>> To: xenomai@xenomai.org
>>>> Subject: [Xenomai-help] task rate control with alarm and semaphore
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I'm working on the creation of a Xenomai target for Mathwork's
>>>> Real Time Workshop. In order to achieve this, I would like to
>>>> control the execution rate of a task with a semaphore periodically
>>>> released by an alarm handler. The tasks does nothing else but
>> waiting
>>>> (in a loop) on the semaphore. If the task can immediately take
>>>> the sempahore, it means that the rate is too fast for it because
>>>> the semaphore has been released before the end of its current
>>> iteration.
>>>> My problem is that I cannot decrease the alarm period under 40us
>>>> without facing this situation. I cannot figure what is the cause of
>>>> all that overhead (maybe it comes from the rt_alarm_wait call ?). I
>>>> have tried to use event flags instead of semaphores but I get the
>>>> same results.
>>>>
>>>> Do you have any idea ?
>>>>
>>>> Here is the code of the main task and the alarm handler:
>>>>
>>>> void tBaseRate(void * cookie)
>>>> {
>>>>  while (1) {
>>>>    if (rt_sem_p(&rtClockSem, TM_NONBLOCK) == 0) {
>>>>      printf("Rate for BaseRate task too fast.\n");
>>>>    } else {
>>>>      rt_sem_p(&rtClockSem, TM_INFINITE);
>>>>    }
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> void clockHandler(void * cookie)
>>>> {
>>>>  int status;
>>>>  while (1) {
>>>>    status = rt_alarm_wait(&clockDesc);
>>>>    if (!status) {
>>>>      status = rt_sem_v(&rtClockSem);
>>>>      if (status)
>>>>        printf ("Semaphore error : %d\n", status);
>>>>    } else
>>>>      printf ("Alarm error: %d\n", status);
>>>>  }
>>>> }
>>> This example is very interesting. To make sense, the semaphore must
>> be
>>> initialized to 0 so that
>>> the first invokation to rt_sem_p() in tBaseRate will suspend the
>> task.
>>> But if the message
>>> "Rate for BaseRate task too fast" is displayed the next loop, it
>> means
>>> that the time elapsed between
>>> the alarm and the next rt_sem_p() is more than 40us. Weird. Having a
>> IRQ
>>> latency of about 5us, it means
>>> that the nucleus spend 35us to handle the switch between the alarm
>> and
>>> the task itself.
>> The interrupt latency is one thing, here you have two context switches
>> after the interrupt, which basically means that the latency is at least
>> twice the _scheduling_ latency.
>>
> 
> Thanks Gilles; for You, does the scheduling latency seem to be honest
> (something like 17-18us) ?
> (I know that this scheme could be simpler with a periodic task, but the
> goal here is to perform
> a comparison between Xenomai and RTOS-32, therefore we try to keep the
> same conditions; so far,
> RTOS-32 supports an alarm rated at 10us).
>

Well, adding useless overhead to the Xenomai testcase just because
RTOS-32 has no rt_wait_period()-alike feature, gets fairness out of the
picture. i.e. from userland, a native alarm object involves one task
more, the related task switches and additional syscalls at each tick.
The fact that RTOS-32 does not implement a straightforward way to
schedule tasks on a precise periodic timeline should not be charged to
Xenomai when benchmarking.

If I'm right, maybe you should try to find another benchmark scenario,
which would allow to use common features from those two kernels, rather
than sub-optimally emulating those for one of them. If the point is to
compare the accuracy of two cyclic tasks scheduled by the timer
interrupt, then the RTOS-32 demo below shows a pattern which is easy to
emulate properly using the native API (i.e. rt_timer_tsc +
rt_task_sleep_until):
http://www.on-time.com/rtos-32-docs/rtkernel-32/programming-manual/advanced-topics/cyclic-task.htm

This said, this pattern would still be sub-optimal compared to
rt_task_set_periodic/rt_task_wait_period.

-- 
Philippe.

Re: [Xenomai-help] task rate control with alarm and semaphore

[Jan Kiszka]

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MEYLAN Jean-philippe wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I'm working on the creation of a Xenomai target for Mathwork's
> Real Time Workshop. In order to achieve this, I would like to 
> control the execution rate of a task with a semaphore periodically
> released by an alarm handler. The tasks does nothing else but waiting
> (in a loop) on the semaphore. If the task can immediately take 
> the sempahore, it means that the rate is too fast for it because
> the semaphore has been released before the end of its current iteration.

Some more efficient way is to let the thread monitor its execution time
and derive the next wakeup date from it. Think of:

next_wakeup = now();
do_forever
	next_wakeup += period;
	do_some_rt_job();
	if next_wakeup >= now() then
		handle_overload()
	sleep_until(next_wakeup)

Jan


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