From: Ted X Toth <txtoth@gmail.com>
To: Eamon Walsh <ewalsh@tycho.nsa.gov>
Cc: Glenn Faden <Glenn.Faden@sun.com>, SE Linux <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov>
Subject: Re: X avcs
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:46:08 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <47878130.5010000@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47867FCA.50408@tycho.nsa.gov>
Eamon Walsh wrote:
> Glenn Faden wrote:
>> This is my first posting to this alias, so let me start by
>> introducing myself. I'm a Distinguished Engineer in the Solaris
>> security organization, and I'm the original architect for Sun's
>> multilevel X11 server. I have worked on this problem since 1990, and
>> have designed three multilevel desktops (Open Look, CDE, and GNOME)
>>
>> One of the biggest challenges in adding fine-grained policy to the
>> X11 server is to make the policy transparent to existing X11 clients.
>> Probably the most critical design decision we made was with respect
>> to root window resources. By default, all root window properties are
>> polyinstantiated by both label and uid. For SELinux, the equivalent
>> policy would be polyinstantiation by security context (not just MLS
>> label). An exception list of single-instance root-window properties
>> is enumerated in a policy file.
>> We have found that the list of exceptions is much smaller than the
>> list that should be polyinstantiated.
>>
>
> Hello. I am not opposed to the idea of polyinstantiated properties.
> Although our approach has always been to attempt to fix applications
> to work within the secure environment first, it looks like this is a
> case where polyinstantiated is needed.
>
> My first thought on the implementation is that a value-return
> parameter could be added to the PROPERTY_ACCESS hook so that security
> modules can return the actual PropertyPtr object they wish to be
> used. The FindProperty function would then have to be upgraded to a
> general lookup function similar to dixLookupResource(),
> dixLookupDrawable(), etc. and the property code would have to be
> refactored to use it everywhere when looking up a property. The
> semantics of the various property requests, in particular
> RotateProperties, might make this a little more difficult.
>
> SELinux has a security_compute_member() interface that is intended to
> return the security context of the appropriate object for use, and
> this can be used to determine which object to return.
>
I'll look at implementing a dixPropertyLookup function. Do any other
XACE hooks have value-return parameters, would it just be va_arg(ap,
PropertyPtr*)?
What about the idea of an exception list of single-instance root-window
properties?
>> With respect to the root window drawable, it is protected at the
>> lowest label, so it is never modified. Applications like Nautilus are
>> polyinstantiated, too, and render their own background windows.
>>
>> Our implementation is all open-sourced using the Xorg license. A
>> summary of the X11 security policy implemented by Solaris Trusted
>> Extensions is described in Chapter 6 of the Developer's Guide,
>> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-0869/6n391u3ru?a=view
>>
>> The configuration file for the polyinstantiation policy is described
>> in the TrustedExtensionsPolicy man page,
>> http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-7307/trustedextensionspolicy-4?a=view
>>
>>
>> The source code which implements this policy can be viewed in the
>> OpenSolaris browser using this link:
>> http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/fox/fox-gate/XW_NV/open-src/xserver/xorg/sun-src/tsol/
>>
>>
>> The hooks to the XACE extension layer (also used by SELinux) are in
>> the file tsolCompat.c, which can be viewed here:
>> http://src.opensolaris.org/source/xref/fox/fox-gate/XW_NV/open-src/xserver/xorg/sun-src/Xext/tsolCompat.c
>>
>>
>> Although Trusted Extensions and SELinux have significant differences
>> with respect to their security models, both systems attempt to
>> implement MAC policy in a manner that is transparent to applications.
>> This should apply to the desktop, as well. In general, the user
>> experience running GNOME on Solaris (with or without Trusted
>> Extensions) or on Linux (with or without SELinux) should be almost
>> identical. So the underlying policies enforced by the X11 server
>> should follow the same general principles.
>>
>
> Our long-term goal is to make applications aware of and responsive to
> the security environment, particularly applications that could
> themselves be multi-level such as e-mail, web, office.
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-01-11 14:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-12-26 21:01 X avcs Xavier Toth
2007-12-28 16:54 ` Xavier Toth
2007-12-28 19:34 ` Eamon Walsh
2007-12-28 21:26 ` Xavier Toth
2008-01-02 15:11 ` Xavier Toth
2008-01-02 20:11 ` Glenn Faden
2008-01-09 14:21 ` Ted X Toth
2008-01-09 17:46 ` Glenn Faden
2008-01-10 21:14 ` Eamon Walsh
2008-01-10 23:55 ` Glenn Faden
2008-01-10 20:27 ` Eamon Walsh
2008-01-10 23:27 ` Glenn Faden
2008-01-11 14:46 ` Ted X Toth [this message]
2008-01-11 20:46 ` Glenn Faden
2008-01-11 22:37 ` Ted X Toth
2008-01-17 22:07 ` Eamon Walsh
2008-01-21 2:04 ` Glenn Faden
2008-01-24 0:11 ` Eamon Walsh
2008-01-24 15:40 ` Xavier Toth
2008-01-29 15:48 ` Xavier Toth
2008-01-31 2:26 ` Eamon Walsh
2008-02-08 23:51 ` Eamon Walsh
2008-02-13 16:52 ` Xavier Toth
2008-02-15 14:53 ` Xavier Toth
2008-02-15 17:18 ` Eamon Walsh
2008-01-11 23:04 ` Eamon Walsh
2008-01-14 20:14 ` Xavier Toth
2008-01-15 22:47 ` Eamon Walsh
2008-01-16 15:41 ` Xavier Toth
2008-01-16 16:05 ` Xavier Toth
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2008-06-30 19:38 ` Eamon Walsh
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