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From: Rene Herman <rene.herman@keyaccess.nl>
To: Pierre Ossman <drzeus@drzeus.cx>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	ALSA development <alsa-devel@alsa-project.org>,
	Ondrej Zary <linux@rainbow-software.org>,
	Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>, Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>,
	linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bjorn.helgaas@hp.com>
Subject: Re: PNP_DRIVER_RES_DISABLE breaks swsusp at least with snd_cs4236
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:00:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4788F226.7040101@keyaccess.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080112162150.1ec9cad0@poseidon.drzeus.cx>

On 12-01-08 16:21, Pierre Ossman wrote:

> Ah, sorry. It was a different thread. Look for a mail with the subject 
> "PNP: do not stop/start devices in suspend/resume path" in the LKML och 
> linux-pm archives.

Right, and I see that the removal of start/stop is already in -mm. That's 
not going to work. Something (such as removing power) disabled Ondrej's 
CS4236 and the pnp_start_dev() is needed to re-enable it upon resume.

>> But we certainly need the pnp_start_dev() in the current flow of
>> things. It not being called is the problem this fixes...
> 
> I think the previous suggestion was that the drivers should call this,
> not the core, so that it behaved more like other parts of the kernel
> (e.g. PCI).

It seems all PnP drivers would need to stick a pnp_start_dev in their resume 
method then which means it really belongs in core. One important point where 
PnP and PCI differ is that PnP allows to change the resources on a protocol 
level and I don't see how it could ever not be necessary to restore the 
state a user may have set if power has been removed. Hibernate is just that, 
isn't it?

Rene.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Rene Herman <rene.herman@keyaccess.nl>
To: Pierre Ossman <drzeus@drzeus.cx>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>, "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Ondrej Zary <linux@rainbow-software.org>,
	Jaroslav Kysela <perex@perex.cz>,
	ALSA development <alsa-devel@alsa-project.org>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bjorn.helgaas@hp.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>,
	linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [alsa-devel] PNP_DRIVER_RES_DISABLE breaks swsusp at least with snd_cs4236
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:00:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4788F226.7040101@keyaccess.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080112162150.1ec9cad0@poseidon.drzeus.cx>

On 12-01-08 16:21, Pierre Ossman wrote:

> Ah, sorry. It was a different thread. Look for a mail with the subject 
> "PNP: do not stop/start devices in suspend/resume path" in the LKML och 
> linux-pm archives.

Right, and I see that the removal of start/stop is already in -mm. That's 
not going to work. Something (such as removing power) disabled Ondrej's 
CS4236 and the pnp_start_dev() is needed to re-enable it upon resume.

>> But we certainly need the pnp_start_dev() in the current flow of
>> things. It not being called is the problem this fixes...
> 
> I think the previous suggestion was that the drivers should call this,
> not the core, so that it behaved more like other parts of the kernel
> (e.g. PCI).

It seems all PnP drivers would need to stick a pnp_start_dev in their resume 
method then which means it really belongs in core. One important point where 
PnP and PCI differ is that PnP allows to change the resources on a protocol 
level and I don't see how it could ever not be necessary to restore the 
state a user may have set if power has been removed. Hibernate is just that, 
isn't it?

Rene.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-01-12 17:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-09 22:43 PNP_DRIVER_RES_DISABLE breaks swsusp at least with snd_cs4236 Ondrej Zary
2008-01-10  1:53 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-10  1:53   ` [alsa-devel] " Rene Herman
2008-01-10  7:58   ` Jaroslav Kysela
2008-01-10  7:58     ` [alsa-devel] " Jaroslav Kysela
2008-01-11  1:19     ` Rene Herman
2008-01-11  1:19       ` [alsa-devel] " Rene Herman
2008-01-11  7:01       ` Pierre Ossman
2008-01-11 14:21         ` Rene Herman
2008-01-11 14:21           ` [alsa-devel] " Rene Herman
2008-01-11 18:40           ` Ondrej Zary
2008-01-11 18:40             ` [alsa-devel] " Ondrej Zary
2008-01-12  1:23             ` Rene Herman
2008-01-12  1:23               ` [alsa-devel] " Rene Herman
2008-01-12 11:12               ` Pierre Ossman
2008-01-12 11:12               ` Pierre Ossman
2008-01-12 11:12                 ` [alsa-devel] " Pierre Ossman
2008-01-12 13:39                 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-12 13:39                   ` [alsa-devel] " Rene Herman
2008-01-12 15:21                   ` Pierre Ossman
2008-01-12 15:21                     ` [alsa-devel] " Pierre Ossman
2008-01-12 16:46                     ` Ondrej Zary
2008-01-12 16:46                       ` [alsa-devel] " Ondrej Zary
2008-01-12 16:46                     ` Ondrej Zary
2008-01-12 17:00                     ` Rene Herman [this message]
2008-01-12 17:00                       ` Rene Herman
2008-01-12 19:08                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-01-12 19:08                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-01-12 20:08                         ` -mm: pnp-do-not-stop-start-devices-in-suspend-resume-path.patch breaks resuming isapnp cards Rene Herman
2008-01-12 20:08                           ` Rene Herman
2008-01-13  5:50                           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-01-13  5:50                           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-01-13  5:50                             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-01-13  6:13                             ` Rene Herman
2008-01-13  6:13                             ` Rene Herman
2008-01-13  6:13                               ` Rene Herman
2008-01-14 22:26                               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-01-14 22:26                               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-01-14 22:26                                 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-01-14 23:46                                 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-14 23:46                                 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-14 23:46                                   ` Rene Herman
2008-01-15  7:51                                 ` Jaroslav Kysela
2008-01-15  7:51                                   ` Jaroslav Kysela
2008-01-16 17:46                                   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-01-16 17:46                                   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-01-16 17:46                                     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2008-01-16 18:03                                     ` Ondrej Zary
2008-01-16 18:03                                       ` Ondrej Zary
2008-01-16 18:16                                     ` Rene Herman
2008-01-16 18:16                                       ` Rene Herman
2008-01-16 18:16                                     ` Rene Herman
2008-01-15  7:51                                 ` Jaroslav Kysela
2008-01-12 20:08                         ` Rene Herman
2008-01-12 17:00                     ` [alsa-devel] PNP_DRIVER_RES_DISABLE breaks swsusp at least with snd_cs4236 Rene Herman
2008-01-12 15:21                   ` Pierre Ossman
2008-01-12 19:01                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-01-12 19:01                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-01-12 13:39                 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-12  1:23             ` Rene Herman

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