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From: David Newall <davidn@davidnewall.com>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: "David P. Reed" <dpreed@reed.com>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	Rene Herman <rene.herman@keyaccess.nl>,
	Zachary Amsden <zach@vmware.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Christer Weinigel <christer@weinigel.se>,
	Ondrej Zary <linux@rainbow-software.org>,
	Bodo Eggert <7eggert@gmx.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Paul Rolland <rol@as2917.net>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	rol <rol@witbe.net>
Subject: Re: [linux-kernel] Re: [PATCH] x86: provide a DMI based port 0x80 I/O delay override.
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 00:06:12 +1030	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <478F59CC.8050907@davidnewall.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080117120227.3d09baf5@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>

Alan Cox wrote:
>> This is a timing issue, isn't it?  How are we synchronising, other than
>> by delaying for a (bus-dependant) period?  The characteristics of each
>> bus are known so a number can be assigned for "one bus cycle", without
>> having to use the bus.
>>     
>
> The characteristics of the bus are not known. It could be anything
> between 6 and about 16MHz.

In the early days of clone PCs, as you know but perhaps many on this
list might not, the bus speed could be changed, but this was
user-selectable.  For such a machine, delay values can be pre-calculated
for each bus speed, and a kernel parameter set accordingly.  Or are you
saying that the characteristics of the bus on a given machine vary for
reasons other than user selection?

The fact that busses run at different speeds on different machines is
not a problem because the delay value can be determined for each given
machine.

The question is, for a given machine, can we determine a delay value
instead of using a junk I/O?

  reply	other threads:[~2008-01-17 13:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2008-01-07 19:38                       ` [PATCH] x86: provide a DMI based port 0x80 I/O delay override Bodo Eggert
2008-01-07 19:46                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-07 22:02                           ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-07 22:10                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-07 22:27                               ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-07 22:59                                 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-07 23:24                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-07 23:26                                     ` Rene Herman
2008-01-08  0:10                                       ` [linux-kernel] " David P. Reed
2008-01-08  0:13                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-08  1:38                                           ` David P. Reed
2008-01-08 17:10                                             ` Ondrej Zary
2008-01-08 17:24                                               ` David P. Reed
2008-01-08 17:38                                                 ` Ondrej Zary
2008-01-08 18:44                                                   ` David P. Reed
2008-01-08 18:51                                                     ` Alan Cox
2008-01-08 19:15                                                       ` David P. Reed
2008-01-08 19:23                                                         ` Alan Cox
2008-01-08 19:51                                                           ` David P. Reed
2008-01-09  2:52                                                         ` Zachary Amsden
2008-01-09  5:19                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-09 21:53                                                             ` Zachary Amsden
2008-01-09 22:22                                                               ` David P. Reed
2008-01-11  1:36                                                                 ` Zachary Amsden
2008-01-11  3:05                                                                   ` Rene Herman
2008-01-11 14:35                                                                     ` David P. Reed
2008-01-11 14:37                                                                       ` Alan Cox
2008-01-11 15:07                                                                         ` David P. Reed
2008-01-11 17:54                                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-11 14:49                                                                       ` Rene Herman
2008-01-14 21:57                                                                       ` David Woodhouse
2008-01-14 22:22                                                                         ` David P. Reed
2008-01-16 14:36                                                                           ` David Newall
2008-01-16 14:55                                                                             ` Alan Cox
2008-01-16 19:15                                                                               ` David Newall
2008-01-16 20:08                                                                                 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-17  6:25                                                                                   ` David Newall
2008-01-17 12:02                                                                                     ` Alan Cox
2008-01-17 13:36                                                                                       ` David Newall [this message]
2008-01-17 13:55                                                                                         ` Rene Herman
2008-01-17 21:58                                                                                           ` David Newall
2008-01-17 22:13                                                                                             ` Rene Herman
2008-01-18 13:37                                                                                               ` David Newall
2008-01-18 14:05                                                                                                 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-17 15:51                                                                                         ` Alan Cox
2008-01-09  5:30                                                           ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-09 14:42                                                             ` David P. Reed
2008-01-09 15:27                                                             ` Rene Herman
2008-01-09 18:17                                                               ` Zachary Amsden
2008-01-09 18:18                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-09 20:26                                                                   ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-09 21:59                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-09 18:22                                                                 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-01-09 18:27                                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-08 19:25                                                     ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-08 20:28                                                       ` David P. Reed
2008-01-08 21:43                                                         ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-08 22:24                                                           ` David P. Reed
2008-01-08 18:51                                                   ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-08 19:13                                                     ` Ondrej Zary
2008-01-09 21:01                                         ` Matthieu castet
2008-01-08 12:51                                       ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-08 13:07                                         ` [linux-kernel] " David P. Reed
2008-01-08 14:37                                           ` Alan Cox
2008-01-08 14:09                                         ` Rene Herman
2008-01-08 14:31                                         ` Alan Cox
2008-01-07 23:57                                     ` [linux-kernel] " David P. Reed
2008-01-08  1:58                                       ` Alan Cox
2008-01-07 23:25                             ` Alan Cox
2008-01-08 13:17                               ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-08 14:38                                 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-08  3:15                         ` Christer Weinigel
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2008-01-10  0:37           ` [linux-kernel] " Robert Hancock
2008-01-10  0:44             ` Rene Herman
2008-01-10 14:41               ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 13:02 Rene Herman
2007-12-17 17:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 19:43   ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 21:25     ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 15:59       ` David P. Reed
2008-01-01 16:15         ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 16:43           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 17:32             ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 18:45               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 21:07                 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-02 10:04                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-02 13:11                     ` [linux-kernel] " David P. Reed
2008-01-02 13:21                       ` Ingo Molnar

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