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From: "Giacomo A. Catenazzi" <cate@cateee.net>
To: Jakob Oestergaard <jakob@unthought.net>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Schwartz <davids@webmaster.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@saeurebad.de>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	clameter@sgi.com, penberg@cs.helsinki.fi
Subject: Re: Why is the kfree() argument const?
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:47:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <479091B5.4060700@cateee.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080118094826.GN25527@unthought.net>

Jakob Oestergaard wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 01:25:39PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> ...
>> Why do you make that mistake, when it is PROVABLY NOT TRUE!
>>
>> Try this trivial program:
>>
>> 	int main(int argc, char **argv)
>> 	{
>> 	        int i;
>> 	        const int *c;
>> 	
>> 	        i = 5;
>> 	        c = &i;
>> 	        i = 10;
>> 	        return *c;
>> 	}
>>
>> and realize that according to the C rules, if it returns anything but 10, 
>> the compiler is *buggy*.
> 
> That's not how this works (as we obviously agree).
> 
> Please consider a rewrite of your example, demonstrating the usefulness and
> proper application of const pointers:
> 
> extern foo(const int *);
> 
> int main(int argc, char **argv)
> {
>  int i;
> 
>  i = 5;
>  foo(&i);
>  return i;
> }
> 
> Now, if the program returns anything else than 5, it means someone cast away
> const, which is generally considered a bad idea in most other software
> projects, for this very reason.
> 
> *That* is the purpose of const pointers.

"restrict" exists for this reason. const is only about lvalue.

You should draw a line, not to make C more complex!

Changing the name of variables in your example:

extern print_int(const int *);

int main(int argc, char **argv)
{
   extern int errno;

   errno = 0;
   print_int(&i);
   return errno;
}

print_int() doesn't know that errno is also the argument.
and this compilation unit doesn't know that print_int() will
modify errno.

Ok, I changed int to extern int, but you see the point?
Do you want complex rules about const, depending on
context (extern, volatile,...) ?

ciao
	cate

  reply	other threads:[~2008-01-18 11:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <MDEHLPKNGKAHNMBLJOLKIEGIJJAC.davids@webmaster.com>
2008-01-17 21:25 ` Why is the kfree() argument const? Linus Torvalds
2008-01-17 22:28   ` David Schwartz
2008-01-17 23:10     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-18  0:56       ` David Schwartz
2008-01-18  1:15         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-18  5:02           ` David Schwartz
2008-01-18 15:38             ` Chris Friesen
2008-01-18 16:10             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-18 20:55               ` David Schwartz
2008-01-18 17:37             ` Olivier Galibert
2008-01-18 18:06             ` DM
2008-01-18  7:51           ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2008-01-18  8:20             ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2008-01-18 13:53               ` Andy Lutomirski
2008-01-18 17:24                 ` Olivier Galibert
2008-01-18 22:29                   ` J.A. Magallón
2008-01-18 23:44                     ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-01-18 13:54               ` Andy Lutomirski
2008-01-18 19:14                 ` Vadim Lobanov
2008-01-18 19:31                   ` Zan Lynx
2008-01-18 19:55                     ` Vadim Lobanov
2008-01-18  8:30             ` Vadim Lobanov
2008-01-18  9:48   ` Jakob Oestergaard
2008-01-18 11:47     ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi [this message]
2008-01-18 14:39       ` Jakob Oestergaard
2008-01-18 19:06       ` Vadim Lobanov
2008-01-18 13:31     ` Björn Steinbrink
2008-01-18 14:53       ` Jakob Oestergaard
     [not found] <fa.cHMztHfqJXv7vw5O0nQ8SdTrma0@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.V9M+5l8C/um5KEiBtZOjbJDQmu4@ifi.uio.no>
2013-01-12 19:18   ` antoine.trux
2013-01-13  8:10     ` Chen Gang F T
2013-01-13 17:41       ` Guenter Roeck
2013-01-14  1:45         ` Chen Gang F T
2013-01-13 20:54       ` Cong Ding
2013-01-14  1:18         ` Chen Gang F T
2008-01-18 19:10 ecolbus
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-01-18 16:45 ecolbus
2008-01-18 18:20 ` Olivier Galibert
2008-01-18 12:45 ecolbus
2008-01-18 15:20 ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2008-01-16 16:32 Johannes Weiner
2008-01-16 16:48 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-16 17:34   ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-01-16 17:45   ` Pekka J Enberg
2008-01-16 18:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-16 22:19   ` Johannes Weiner
2008-01-16 22:20     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-16 22:37       ` Johannes Weiner
2008-01-16 23:13       ` Johannes Weiner
2008-01-16 23:18       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-16 23:16     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-16 22:33   ` Steven Rostedt

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