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From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	linville@tuxdriver.com, mb@bu3sch.de, dcbw@redhat.com,
	johannes@sipsolutions.net, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Linux 2.6.24-rc7
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 02:16:00 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <479C2FB0.7080700@garzik.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.00.0801262229300.3222@www.l.google.com>

Linus Torvalds wrote:
> But we shouldn't make up stupid rules like "network drivers *have* to 
> align packets correctly", simply because such rules may not make sense to 
> the driver writer. If the hardware simply cannot do it, or has some 
> horrible performance behaviour when it does so, it's stupid to tell a 
> driver that it has to do it.


<shrug>  seems like it should be possible to have an arch 
copy-and-align-if-necessary hook at the point of packet reception 
(netif_rx or netif_receive_skb).

And it would certainly be a nice cleanup to move all those driver 
implementations of rx_copybreak into common code.

But ultimately the driver knows the hardware (alignment requirements, RX 
skb allocation details) best, so by definition the low-level driver must 
communicate that information /somehow/.

That data may be communicated implicitly, sure:  maybe the 
aforementioned arch hook could simply look at the alignment of the skb's 
data, and make decision based on that (the driver still, by definition, 
ultimately controls RX skb allocation, alignment, and DMA boundaries and 
mappings)

It would be nice to stop maintaining code like the following in 
drivers/net/tulip/tulip_core.c:

> /* Set the copy breakpoint for the copy-only-tiny-buffer Rx structure. */
> #if defined(__alpha__) || defined(__arm__) || defined(__hppa__) \
>         || defined(CONFIG_SPARC) || defined(__ia64__) \
>         || defined(__sh__) || defined(__mips__)
> static int rx_copybreak = 1518;
> #else
> static int rx_copybreak = 100;
> #endif

The driver passes a lot of information implicitly to the net stack 
simply via its "style" of allocation and mapping.

Its really a question of where you want to pay the cost of unaligned 
accesses, and how much is too much.  If the data is going to be memcpy'd 
to userspace or another buffer almost immediately, maybe we don't even 
care, even on non-x86.

Never know until you bench, I guess...

	Jeff



  reply	other threads:[~2008-01-27  7:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-06 22:19 Linux 2.6.24-rc7 Linus Torvalds
2008-01-06 23:52 ` Mark Lord
2008-01-07  0:08   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-07  0:35     ` Tejun Heo
2008-01-07  8:48 ` Linux 2.6.24-rc7 Build Failure on headers_install Kamalesh Babulal
2008-01-07 10:12   ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-01-08 10:51     ` Kamalesh Babulal
2008-01-08 13:10       ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-01-07 10:36 ` Linux 2.6.24-rc7 Build-Failure at __you_cannot_kmalloc_that_much Kamalesh Babulal
2008-01-07 18:07   ` Andrew Morton
2008-01-07 18:31     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-07 19:38       ` Andrew Morton
2008-01-08  9:56         ` Jean Delvare
2008-01-08 10:44           ` Kamalesh Babulal
2008-01-08 12:34           ` Fix for __you_cannot_kmalloc_that_much failure with gcc 3.2 Jean Delvare
2008-01-08  4:20       ` Linux 2.6.24-rc7 Build-Failure at __you_cannot_kmalloc_that_much Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-08  5:23         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-08  8:20     ` Kamalesh Babulal
2008-01-08  9:27       ` Balbir Singh
2008-01-08  7:48   ` Jean Delvare
2008-01-07 12:13 ` Linux 2.6.24-rc7 kernel BUG at kernel/sched.c:5156! Kamalesh Babulal
2008-01-08 16:16   ` [powerpc crash] " Ingo Molnar
2008-01-07 15:53 ` Linux 2.6.24-rc7 Alejandro Riveira Fernández
2008-01-07 16:27   ` smpboot_64 section mismatch warning Sam Ravnborg
2008-01-07 23:27     ` David Howells
2008-01-08  9:14       ` Alejandro Riveira Fernández
2008-01-08 11:17     ` David Howells
2008-01-07 16:31   ` section mismatch warning in head_64.S Sam Ravnborg
2008-01-15 10:18     ` Alejandro Riveira Fernández
2008-01-07 16:14 ` Linux 2.6.24-rc7 Alejandro Riveira Fernández
2008-01-07 16:14   ` Alejandro Riveira Fernández
2008-01-07 16:24   ` Michael Buesch
2008-01-07 16:24     ` Michael Buesch
2008-01-07 16:52     ` Alejandro Riveira Fernández
2008-01-07 16:52       ` Alejandro Riveira Fernández
2008-01-07 17:30       ` Michael Buesch
2008-01-07 17:30         ` Michael Buesch
2008-01-07 20:23         ` Alejandro Riveira Fernández
2008-01-07 20:23           ` Alejandro Riveira Fernández
2008-01-08 15:30           ` Michael Buesch
2008-01-08 15:30             ` Michael Buesch
2008-01-08 15:55             ` Alejandro Riveira Fernández
2008-01-08 15:55               ` Alejandro Riveira Fernández
2008-01-24 20:27             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-24 21:07               ` John W. Linville
2008-01-24 21:34                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-25 12:29                   ` Johannes Berg
2008-01-25 16:08                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-25 16:23                       ` Michael Buesch
2008-01-25 16:43                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-25 17:27                           ` Dan Williams
2008-01-25 17:38                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-25 17:42                               ` Dan Williams
2008-02-05 20:55                                 ` Russell S. Senior
2008-01-25 18:22                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-25 18:30                                 ` Michael Buesch
2008-01-25 19:07                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-25 19:34                                     ` Michael Buesch
2008-01-25 19:48                                     ` John W. Linville
2008-01-25 19:50                                       ` John W. Linville
2008-01-25 21:18                                         ` John W. Linville
2008-01-25 21:56                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-25 22:46                                             ` John W. Linville
2008-01-25 23:20                                               ` Guy Cohen
2008-01-26 13:53                                               ` David Miller
2008-01-26 13:47                                             ` David Miller
2008-01-25 22:02                                           ` Guy Cohen
2008-01-26 13:40                                           ` David Miller
2008-01-25 20:28                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-26 13:37                                         ` David Miller
2008-01-27  6:32                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-27  7:16                                             ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2008-01-27  7:24                                               ` David Miller
2008-01-27  7:54                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-28  3:15                                                   ` David Miller
2008-01-25 23:22                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2008-01-26 13:27                                     ` David Miller
2008-01-27  6:25                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-26 13:22                                 ` David Miller
2008-01-25 18:21                           ` Michael Buesch
2008-01-25 18:34                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-25 18:41                               ` Michael Buesch
2008-01-25 21:11                                 ` Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-01-25 21:21                                   ` Michael Buesch
2008-01-25 21:28                                     ` Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-01-26 13:42                                       ` David Miller
2008-01-27  2:26                                         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2008-01-29 19:07                                         ` Inaky Perez-Gonzalez
2008-01-25 21:46                                     ` John W. Linville
2008-01-25 22:15                                       ` Michael Buesch
2008-01-25 22:34                                       ` Tomas Winkler
2008-01-26 13:49                                       ` David Miller
2008-01-25 21:46                                     ` Guy Cohen
2008-01-25 21:54                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-26 13:46                                       ` David Miller
2008-01-25 18:34                             ` John W. Linville
2008-01-24 22:17               ` Michael Buesch
2008-01-24 22:26                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-24 22:33                   ` Michael Buesch
2008-01-08  0:50 ` J.A. Magallón
2008-01-09  1:32   ` Avuton Olrich
2008-01-09  1:56   ` Tejun Heo
2008-01-10  9:25     ` J.A. Magallón
2008-01-10 13:10       ` Tejun Heo
2008-01-13 23:19         ` J.A. Magallón
2008-01-13 23:57           ` Tejun Heo
2008-01-14 23:38             ` J.A. Magallón
2008-01-14 23:56               ` Tejun Heo
2008-01-08 18:42 ` Linux 2.6.24-rc7: sparc64: WARNING: at kernel/lockdep_proc.c:267 lockdep_stats_show() Mariusz Kozlowski
2008-01-08 18:42   ` Mariusz Kozlowski
2008-01-08 21:00   ` Linux 2.6.24-rc7: sparc64: WARNING: at Randy Dunlap
2008-01-08 21:00     ` Linux 2.6.24-rc7: sparc64: WARNING: at kernel/lockdep_proc.c:267 lockdep_stats_show() Randy Dunlap
2008-01-08 22:39     ` Mariusz Kozlowski
2008-01-08 22:39       ` Mariusz Kozlowski
2008-01-08 22:45       ` Linux 2.6.24-rc7: sparc64: WARNING: at kernel/lockdep_proc.c:267 Randy Dunlap
2008-01-08 22:45         ` Linux 2.6.24-rc7: sparc64: WARNING: at kernel/lockdep_proc.c:267 lockdep_stats_show() Randy Dunlap
2008-01-09 16:31         ` Mariusz Kozlowski
2008-01-09 16:31           ` Mariusz Kozlowski
2008-01-08 22:50   ` Linux 2.6.24-rc7: sparc64: WARNING: at David Miller
2008-01-08 22:50     ` Linux 2.6.24-rc7: sparc64: WARNING: at kernel/lockdep_proc.c:267 lockdep_stats_show() David Miller
2008-01-08 22:56     ` Linux 2.6.24-rc7: sparc64: WARNING: at Ingo Molnar
2008-01-08 22:56       ` Linux 2.6.24-rc7: sparc64: WARNING: at kernel/lockdep_proc.c:267 lockdep_stats_show() Ingo Molnar
2008-01-08 23:06       ` Linux 2.6.24-rc7: sparc64: WARNING: at David Miller
2008-01-08 23:06         ` Linux 2.6.24-rc7: sparc64: WARNING: at kernel/lockdep_proc.c:267 lockdep_stats_show() David Miller
2008-01-09  0:52         ` Linux 2.6.24-rc7: sparc64: WARNING: at Ingo Molnar
2008-01-09  0:52           ` Linux 2.6.24-rc7: sparc64: WARNING: at kernel/lockdep_proc.c:267 lockdep_stats_show() Ingo Molnar
2008-01-09  1:17 ` Linux 2.6.24-rc7 Willy Tarreau

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