From: Christer Weinigel <christer@weinigel.se>
To: Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>
Cc: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only
Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 18:04:24 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <47A5F418.6030104@weinigel.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <84144f020802030635h3a9c4304n943d117e936f1c2d@mail.gmail.com>
Pekka Enberg wrote:
> Why are we discussing this again? The Linux kernel is distributed
> under the GPLv2 and even though there are some legal gray areas
> regarding derived work (think nvidia and ati binary blobs here), the
> license is not friendly towards proprietary drivers at all.
Why? Because it is a gray area. I still have my reservations about the
GPL being as viral as FSF says it is. Greg KH's lawyer says one thing,
some legal departments I've talked to say something else (or they
express it in laywerese, but it boils down to "you can probably get away
with it") and apparently both nvidia's and ati's legal departmens think
so too.
And because I belive it's very important not to scare away Linux users
unneccesarily. Yes, the kernel does not, and should not be friendly
towards proprietary drivers, but there is a difference between not being
friendly and being actively hostile.
> Furthermore, many of the _kernel developers_ do not support
> proprietary drivers, so why do you insist on using Linux for that
> purpose?
You did read the rest of the mail you commented I hope?
> Seriously, you really really want to look at the BSDs or proprietary
> operating systems because they support your needs much better.
So you'd rather have the Nokia 770 use BSD because Nokia couldn't find a
low power WLAN chip with a GPLed driver? You'd rather see Nokia spend
man-years on improving the support for the TI OMAP CPU's somewhere else
than Linux? Yes, it sucks that the on WLAN Nokia 770 doesn't have an
open driver, but I'm very happy that Nokia has spent all that effort on
getting Linux to run well on the 770 and has given 99% of that work back
to the Linux community. (Actually, I think there is a GPLed driver for
the WLAN now, but that driver would most probably not have been written
unless the Nokia 770 hardware had been out there so that frustrated
Linux hackers decided to do something about it).
And why is it ok for nvidia and ati to have proprietary drivers? Is it
ok just because people are afraid to alienate them if they push too
hard? Having no 3D graphics at all on Linux is a nightmare scenario for
the distro makers, so I guess that's why people try not to rock the boat
too much. So why don't you send in a patch that makes all EXPORTS into
EXPORT_GPL? That would be the only honest course of action according to
you, wouldn't it?
/Christer
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-02-03 17:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 157+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-01-25 18:02 [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only Greg KH
2008-01-28 8:13 ` Clemens Ladisch
2008-01-28 8:57 ` Greg KH
2008-01-28 9:58 ` Clemens Ladisch
2008-01-28 16:13 ` Greg KH
2008-01-28 10:44 ` Boaz Harrosh
2008-01-28 16:13 ` Greg KH
2008-01-28 16:44 ` Boaz Harrosh
2008-01-28 16:52 ` Greg KH
2008-01-28 21:49 ` TimC
2008-02-02 11:37 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-02-02 19:19 ` Greg KH
2008-02-03 11:48 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-02-03 14:35 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-02-03 17:04 ` Christer Weinigel [this message]
2008-02-03 23:15 ` Greg KH
2008-02-05 23:14 ` David Newall
2008-02-05 23:17 ` Alan Cox
2008-02-07 12:50 ` David Newall
2008-02-07 14:06 ` Alan Cox
2008-02-07 14:32 ` David Newall
2008-02-05 23:29 ` Greg KH
2008-02-07 12:52 ` David Newall
2008-02-05 23:34 ` Chris Friesen
2008-02-06 21:04 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-02-07 1:36 ` David Schwartz
2008-02-07 13:26 ` David Newall
2008-02-07 14:15 ` Alan Cox
2008-02-07 15:02 ` David Newall
2008-02-07 15:07 ` Alan Cox
2008-02-07 16:31 ` David Newall
2008-02-08 0:18 ` David Schwartz
2008-02-07 13:06 ` David Newall
2008-02-07 14:12 ` Alan Cox
2008-02-07 14:55 ` David Newall
2008-02-07 15:01 ` Alan Cox
2008-02-07 16:19 ` David Newall
2008-02-07 22:51 ` Hannu Savolainen
2008-02-07 23:17 ` Greg KH
2008-02-03 15:07 ` David Newall
2008-02-04 10:21 ` Diego Zuccato
2008-02-04 19:18 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-02-04 21:38 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-02-06 20:34 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-02-06 20:54 ` Hans-Jürgen Koch
2008-02-07 13:19 ` David Newall
2008-02-07 14:06 ` Hans-Jürgen Koch
2008-02-07 14:31 ` David Newall
2008-02-07 16:13 ` Hans-Jürgen Koch
2008-02-07 16:22 ` Dave Higton
2008-02-07 16:50 ` David Newall
2008-02-07 17:49 ` Hans-Jürgen Koch
2008-02-08 2:50 ` David Newall
2008-02-09 15:13 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-02-09 15:41 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-02-09 16:50 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-02-09 17:29 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-02-06 20:55 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-02-06 20:52 ` Alan Cox
2008-02-07 13:47 ` David Newall
2008-02-07 14:26 ` Alan Cox
2008-02-07 15:16 ` David Newall
2008-02-06 21:29 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-02-07 8:07 ` Diego Zuccato
2008-02-07 15:05 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-02-07 19:27 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-02-07 13:21 ` David Newall
2008-02-07 19:35 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-02-07 13:16 ` David Newall
2008-02-05 7:49 ` Diego Zuccato
2008-02-05 23:25 ` David Newall
2008-02-05 23:25 ` Alan Cox
2008-02-07 13:00 ` David Newall
2008-02-07 14:10 ` Alan Cox
2008-02-07 14:48 ` David Newall
2008-02-07 14:58 ` Alan Cox
2008-02-07 16:03 ` David Newall
2008-02-07 18:22 ` Alan Cox
2008-02-08 2:55 ` David Newall
2008-02-08 11:29 ` Alan Cox
2008-02-08 16:34 ` David Newall
2008-02-07 8:31 ` Diego Zuccato
2008-02-07 13:35 ` David Newall
2008-02-07 14:25 ` Diego Zuccato
2008-02-07 15:13 ` David Newall
2008-02-08 8:48 ` Diego Zuccato
2008-02-07 19:34 ` Lee Mathers
2008-02-08 8:55 ` Diego Zuccato
2008-02-08 11:38 ` Alan Cox
2008-02-05 9:55 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-02-05 11:18 ` David Newall
2008-02-05 12:32 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-02-10 15:19 ` Bauke Jan Douma
2008-02-03 15:12 ` David Newall
2008-02-03 15:43 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-02-03 16:06 ` David Newall
2008-02-03 16:48 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-02-05 11:33 ` David Newall
2008-02-05 19:43 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-02-07 13:41 ` David Newall
2008-02-07 19:05 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-02-08 3:57 ` David Newall
2008-02-08 9:15 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-02-08 18:40 ` David Newall
2008-02-08 19:08 ` David Newall
2008-02-08 19:23 ` David Newall
2008-02-08 19:36 ` Daniel Hazelton
2008-02-08 21:36 ` Alan Cox
2008-02-08 23:27 ` Daniel Hazelton
2008-02-08 19:13 ` Greg KH
2008-02-08 19:42 ` David Newall
2008-02-08 23:41 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-02-10 2:01 ` David Schwartz
2008-02-10 4:50 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-02-10 5:07 ` Daniel Hazelton
2008-02-10 5:43 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-02-10 6:18 ` Daniel Hazelton
2008-02-10 11:20 ` Alan Cox
2008-02-10 13:30 ` Daniel Hazelton
2008-02-10 13:45 ` Olof Johansson
2008-02-12 18:02 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-02-12 18:04 ` Alan Cox
2008-02-09 13:40 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-02-08 20:21 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-02-08 23:30 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-02-03 17:13 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-02-05 11:39 ` David Newall
2008-02-05 11:46 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-02-06 21:12 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-02-06 21:48 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-02-07 6:22 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-02-07 13:31 ` David Newall
2008-02-07 13:47 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-02-05 12:27 ` Alan Cox
2008-02-05 20:03 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-02-05 20:35 ` Chris Friesen
2008-02-05 21:12 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-02-07 12:41 ` David Newall
2008-02-07 13:37 ` David Newall
2008-02-07 13:45 ` David Newall
2008-02-07 14:28 ` Alan Cox
2008-02-07 15:39 ` David Newall
2008-02-05 20:34 ` Greg KH
2008-02-06 20:14 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-02-06 20:28 ` Greg KH
2008-02-06 21:03 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-02-07 13:15 ` David Newall
2008-02-07 13:39 ` David Newall
2008-02-06 20:43 ` Jon Smirl
2008-02-06 21:23 ` Greg KH
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-02-01 14:45 Gilles Espinasse
2008-02-01 17:29 ` Greg KH
2008-02-06 21:14 ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-02-07 7:30 ` Gilles Espinasse
2008-02-03 11:17 Gilles Espinasse
2008-02-04 11:43 Matthew
2008-02-04 15:04 ` Greg KH
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