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From: David Newall <davidn@davidnewall.com>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Diego Zuccato <diego@otello.alma.unibo.it>,
	Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	Christer Weinigel <christer@weinigel.se>,
	linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:30:49 +1030	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47AB0101.2050204@davidnewall.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080205232550.5d3d22ff@core>

Alan Cox wrote:
>> "Of course", because in many parts of the world, a device who's manufacturer 
>> fails to take reasonable steps to prevent it from being used outside 
>> regulatory limits is illegal.  Providing source code not only is a failure 
>> to take those reasonable steps, but is quite the opposite.  It may even be 
>> viewed as encouraging users to use it inappropriately.
>>     
>
> To my knowledge there is no caselaw on this for software,

In Australia, devices require approval from a regulatory body.  Such
approval is withheld if appropriate safeguards are not applied.


>  nor is it
> clearly so simple - many vendors do provide source, many vendors provide
> windows drivers where any end user can click to specify their country and
> can lie trivially. Many users retrofit US firmware to non US devices and
> its trivial to do. Its a hard problem
Yes it is; but what is simple, is to understand that lack of such
safeguards, even though they are imperfect, does result in refusal to
approve.

> Some (particularly US) companies choose to take a conservative view based
>   
Also, particularly Australia and New Zealand.  I can't imagine France or
Germany would be different.  Where is it different?
> on their pessimistic reading of the intent of the US regulator plus the
> ability of the regulator to do a lot of damage to their business.
>
> The notion they are illegal is a real unknown and the market seems split
> on views of this.
>   

That is what I was saying: To require that only GPL-licenced USB drivers
may be used with Linux puts Linux at a disadvantage in the market.  The
embedded market is simply huge.  Microsoft would _love_ Linux to fail
there, because that's what's necessary for Wince to win.

  reply	other threads:[~2008-02-07 13:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 157+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-25 18:02 [PATCH] USB: mark USB drivers as being GPL only Greg KH
2008-01-28  8:13 ` Clemens Ladisch
2008-01-28  8:57   ` Greg KH
2008-01-28  9:58     ` Clemens Ladisch
2008-01-28 16:13       ` Greg KH
2008-01-28 10:44 ` Boaz Harrosh
2008-01-28 16:13   ` Greg KH
2008-01-28 16:44     ` Boaz Harrosh
2008-01-28 16:52       ` Greg KH
2008-01-28 21:49 ` TimC
2008-02-02 11:37 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-02-02 19:19   ` Greg KH
2008-02-03 11:48     ` Christer Weinigel
2008-02-03 14:35       ` Pekka Enberg
2008-02-03 17:04         ` Christer Weinigel
2008-02-03 23:15           ` Greg KH
2008-02-05 23:14             ` David Newall
2008-02-05 23:17               ` Alan Cox
2008-02-07 12:50                 ` David Newall
2008-02-07 14:06                   ` Alan Cox
2008-02-07 14:32                     ` David Newall
2008-02-05 23:29               ` Greg KH
2008-02-07 12:52                 ` David Newall
2008-02-05 23:34               ` Chris Friesen
2008-02-06 21:04                 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-02-07  1:36                   ` David Schwartz
2008-02-07 13:26                   ` David Newall
2008-02-07 14:15                     ` Alan Cox
2008-02-07 15:02                       ` David Newall
2008-02-07 15:07                         ` Alan Cox
2008-02-07 16:31                           ` David Newall
2008-02-08  0:18                     ` David Schwartz
2008-02-07 13:06                 ` David Newall
2008-02-07 14:12                   ` Alan Cox
2008-02-07 14:55                     ` David Newall
2008-02-07 15:01                       ` Alan Cox
2008-02-07 16:19                         ` David Newall
2008-02-07 22:51                     ` Hannu Savolainen
2008-02-07 23:17                       ` Greg KH
2008-02-03 15:07     ` David Newall
2008-02-04 10:21       ` Diego Zuccato
2008-02-04 19:18         ` Christer Weinigel
2008-02-04 21:38           ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-02-06 20:34             ` Christer Weinigel
2008-02-06 20:54               ` Hans-Jürgen Koch
2008-02-07 13:19                 ` David Newall
2008-02-07 14:06                   ` Hans-Jürgen Koch
2008-02-07 14:31                     ` David Newall
2008-02-07 16:13                       ` Hans-Jürgen Koch
2008-02-07 16:22                         ` Dave Higton
2008-02-07 16:50                         ` David Newall
2008-02-07 17:49                           ` Hans-Jürgen Koch
2008-02-08  2:50                             ` David Newall
2008-02-09 15:13                             ` Christer Weinigel
2008-02-09 15:41                               ` Pekka Enberg
2008-02-09 16:50                                 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-02-09 17:29                                   ` Pekka Enberg
2008-02-06 20:55               ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-02-06 20:52                 ` Alan Cox
2008-02-07 13:47                   ` David Newall
2008-02-07 14:26                     ` Alan Cox
2008-02-07 15:16                       ` David Newall
2008-02-06 21:29                 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-02-07  8:07                   ` Diego Zuccato
2008-02-07 15:05                     ` Adrian Bunk
2008-02-07 19:27                     ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-02-07 13:21                 ` David Newall
2008-02-07 19:35                   ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-02-07 13:16               ` David Newall
2008-02-05  7:49           ` Diego Zuccato
2008-02-05 23:25         ` David Newall
2008-02-05 23:25           ` Alan Cox
2008-02-07 13:00             ` David Newall [this message]
2008-02-07 14:10               ` Alan Cox
2008-02-07 14:48                 ` David Newall
2008-02-07 14:58                   ` Alan Cox
2008-02-07 16:03                     ` David Newall
2008-02-07 18:22                       ` Alan Cox
2008-02-08  2:55                         ` David Newall
2008-02-08 11:29                           ` Alan Cox
2008-02-08 16:34                             ` David Newall
2008-02-07  8:31           ` Diego Zuccato
2008-02-07 13:35             ` David Newall
2008-02-07 14:25               ` Diego Zuccato
2008-02-07 15:13                 ` David Newall
2008-02-08  8:48                   ` Diego Zuccato
2008-02-07 19:34               ` Lee Mathers
2008-02-08  8:55                 ` Diego Zuccato
2008-02-08 11:38                   ` Alan Cox
2008-02-05  9:55       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-02-05 11:18         ` David Newall
2008-02-05 12:32           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-02-10 15:19       ` Bauke Jan Douma
2008-02-03 15:12     ` David Newall
2008-02-03 15:43       ` Pekka Enberg
2008-02-03 16:06         ` David Newall
2008-02-03 16:48           ` Pekka Enberg
2008-02-05 11:33             ` David Newall
2008-02-05 19:43               ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-02-07 13:41                 ` David Newall
2008-02-07 19:05                   ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-02-08  3:57                     ` David Newall
2008-02-08  9:15                       ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-02-08 18:40                         ` David Newall
2008-02-08 19:08                           ` David Newall
2008-02-08 19:23                             ` David Newall
2008-02-08 19:36                             ` Daniel Hazelton
2008-02-08 21:36                               ` Alan Cox
2008-02-08 23:27                                 ` Daniel Hazelton
2008-02-08 19:13                           ` Greg KH
2008-02-08 19:42                             ` David Newall
2008-02-08 23:41                           ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-02-10  2:01                             ` David Schwartz
2008-02-10  4:50                               ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-02-10  5:07                                 ` Daniel Hazelton
2008-02-10  5:43                                   ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-02-10  6:18                                     ` Daniel Hazelton
2008-02-10 11:20                                   ` Alan Cox
2008-02-10 13:30                                     ` Daniel Hazelton
2008-02-10 13:45                                       ` Olof Johansson
2008-02-12 18:02                                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-02-12 18:04                                   ` Alan Cox
2008-02-09 13:40                           ` Christer Weinigel
2008-02-08 20:21                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-02-08 23:30                           ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-02-03 17:13           ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-02-05 11:39             ` David Newall
2008-02-05 11:46               ` Pekka Enberg
2008-02-06 21:12                 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-02-06 21:48                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-02-07  6:22                   ` Pekka Enberg
2008-02-07 13:31                     ` David Newall
2008-02-07 13:47                       ` Pekka Enberg
2008-02-05 12:27               ` Alan Cox
2008-02-05 20:03               ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-02-05 20:35                 ` Chris Friesen
2008-02-05 21:12                   ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-02-07 12:41                     ` David Newall
2008-02-07 13:37                   ` David Newall
2008-02-07 13:45                 ` David Newall
2008-02-07 14:28                   ` Alan Cox
2008-02-07 15:39                     ` David Newall
2008-02-05 20:34               ` Greg KH
2008-02-06 20:14                 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-02-06 20:28                   ` Greg KH
2008-02-06 21:03                     ` Christer Weinigel
2008-02-07 13:15                     ` David Newall
2008-02-07 13:39                 ` David Newall
2008-02-06 20:43 ` Jon Smirl
2008-02-06 21:23   ` Greg KH
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-02-01 14:45 Gilles Espinasse
2008-02-01 17:29 ` Greg KH
2008-02-06 21:14 ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-02-07  7:30   ` Gilles Espinasse
2008-02-03 11:17 Gilles Espinasse
2008-02-04 11:43 Matthew
2008-02-04 15:04 ` Greg KH

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