Problems with modnonsubposts

Problems with modnonsubposts

[Daniel Kühni]

Hi friends of mlmmj

Apparently I have a strange wish for some special list I want to create.

I want:
- no option for subscription or unsubscription to the list - a closed list
- a message from a subscriber should be delivered to the list 
subscribers without any intervention
- a message from a non-subscriber should be moderated by a moderator

With this in mind, I have done the following:

-rw-r--r-- 1 nobody mlmmj   0 Feb 22 16:41 closedlist
-rw-r--r-- 1 nobody mlmmj  22 Feb 22 16:41 delheaders
-rw------- 1 nobody mlmmj 129 Feb 22 16:42 footer
-rw-r--r-- 1 nobody mlmmj  40 Feb 22 16:42 listaddress
-rw-r--r-- 1 nobody mlmmj  24 Feb 22 16:55 moderators
-rw-r--r-- 1 nobody mlmmj   0 Feb 22 16:55 modnonsubposts
-rw-r--r-- 1 nobody mlmmj   0 Feb 22 16:41 noaccessdenymails
-rw-r--r-- 1 nobody mlmmj   0 Feb 22 16:41 notoccdenymails
-rw-r--r-- 1 nobody mlmmj  24 Feb 22 16:41 owner
-rw-r--r-- 1 nobody mlmmj  16 Feb 22 16:43 prefix
-rw-r--r-- 1 nobody mlmmj  14 Feb 22 16:41 relayhost
-rw-r--r-- 1 nobody mlmmj   0 Feb 22 17:00 subonlyget
-rw-r--r-- 1 nobody mlmmj   0 Mar  3 22:29 subonlypost

But this does not work as I wanted to. Now non-subscribers get a message 
back telling them that they are not subscribed and its a closed list.

When I'm adding the "moderated" flag, every message gets moderated, even 
the ones from the subscribers.

When I delete the "subonlypost" everyone can send a message regardless 
of their subscription status.

Is there any running configration around that would meet my requirements?

Any help appreciated.

Regards,
Dani

Re: Problems with modnonsubposts

[Morten K. Poulsen]

Hi Daniel,

On Mon, 2008-03-03 at 22:52 +0100, Daniel Kühni wrote:
> Apparently I have a strange wish for some special list I want to create.
> 
> I want:
> - no option for subscription or unsubscription to the list - a closed list
> - a message from a subscriber should be delivered to the list 
> subscribers without any intervention
> - a message from a non-subscriber should be moderated by a moderator

That is not too strange.

> With this in mind, I have done the following:
> 
> -rw-r--r-- 1 nobody mlmmj   0 Feb 22 16:41 closedlist

Fine. This functionality is separate from the moderation logic.

> -rw-r--r-- 1 nobody mlmmj   0 Feb 22 16:55 modnonsubposts
...
> -rw-r--r-- 1 nobody mlmmj   0 Mar  3 22:29 subonlypost

That should be fine.

In pseudocode, that part of mlmmj looks like this:

if (subonlypost && !user_is_subscribed) {
  if (modnonsubposts) {
    MODERATE;
  } else if (!nosubonlydenymails) {
    DENY;
  } else {
    IGNORE;
} else {
  ALLOW;
}

So with subonlypost and modnonsubposts set, this should be what you
want, right?

> But this does not work as I wanted to. Now non-subscribers get a message 
> back telling them that they are not subscribed and its a closed list.

Is that the subonlypost message?

> When I'm adding the "moderated" flag, every message gets moderated, even 
> the ones from the subscribers.

Yes.

> When I delete the "subonlypost" everyone can send a message regardless 
> of their subscription status.

Yes.

> Is there any running configration around that would meet my requirements?

As far as I can see, your configuration is correct. Which version of
mlmmj are you running? Not that I can remember any bugs in this part of
the code.

Best regards,
Morten

Re: Problems with modnonsubposts

[Daniel Kühni]

Hi Morten

Thanks for your quick response.
>> Apparently I have a strange wish for some special list I want to create.
>>
>> I want:
>> - no option for subscription or unsubscription to the list - a closed list
>> - a message from a subscriber should be delivered to the list 
>> subscribers without any intervention
>> - a message from a non-subscriber should be moderated by a moderator
>>     
>
> That is not too strange.
>   
Ok, sounds good.

>> -rw-r--r-- 1 nobody mlmmj   0 Feb 22 16:55 modnonsubposts
>>     
> ...
>   
>> -rw-r--r-- 1 nobody mlmmj   0 Mar  3 22:29 subonlypost
>>     
>
> That should be fine.
>
> In pseudocode, that part of mlmmj looks like this:
>
> if (subonlypost && !user_is_subscribed) {
>   if (modnonsubposts) {
>     MODERATE;
>   } else if (!nosubonlydenymails) {
>     DENY;
>   } else {
>     IGNORE;
> } else {
>   ALLOW;
> }
>
> So with subonlypost and modnonsubposts set, this should be what you
> want, right?
>   
Exactly. The pseudocode is absolutely what I want to achieve.
>> But this does not work as I wanted to. Now non-subscribers get a message 
>> back telling them that they are not subscribed and its a closed list.
>>     
>
> Is that the subonlypost message?
>   
Yes.
> As far as I can see, your configuration is correct. Which version of
> mlmmj are you running? Not that I can remember any bugs in this part of
> the code.
I'm running version 1.2.12 on Gentoo which seems to be the lastest 
stable version available for Gentoo:

*  net-mail/mlmmj
      Latest version available: 1.2.12
      Latest version installed: 1.2.12
      Size of files: 146 kB
      Homepage:      http://mlmmj.mmj.dk/
      Description:   Mailing list managing made joyful
      License:       MIT


What would you suggest?

Thanks an regards,
Daniel

Re: Problems with modnonsubposts

[Morten K. Poulsen]

Hi Daniel,

On Wed, 2008-03-05 at 14:50 +0100, Daniel Kühni wrote:
> >> -rw-r--r-- 1 nobody mlmmj   0 Feb 22 16:55 modnonsubposts
...
> I'm running version 1.2.12

I've found the problem: The modnonsubposts tunable was introduced in
mlmmj-1.2.13.

> What would you suggest?

Upgrade mlmmj ;-)

I am no Gentoo expert, but I know of a few of them here on the list, who
might be able to give some advise. Andrea?

Best regards,
Morten

Re: Problems with modnonsubposts

[Daniel Kühni]

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Hi Morten

>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 nobody mlmmj   0 Feb 22 16:55 modnonsubposts
>>>>         
> ...
>   
>> I'm running version 1.2.12
>>     
>
> I've found the problem: The modnonsubposts tunable was introduced in
> mlmmj-1.2.13.
>
>   
>> What would you suggest?
>>     
>
> Upgrade mlmmj ;-)
>
>   
As expected the upgrade to the latest version 1.2.15 corrected the 
problem. Now everything works as planned!

Thanks for your assistance and endurance and of course for the well-made 
software.

Regards,
Daniel

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Re: Problems with modnonsubposts

[Morten K. Poulsen]

On Wed, 2008-03-05 at 16:31 +0100, Daniel Kühni wrote:
> As expected the upgrade to the latest version 1.2.15 corrected the
> problem. Now everything works as planned!

Ok, great.

> Thanks for your assistance and endurance and of course for the
> well-made software.

My pleasure :)

Best regards,
Morten