From: Carsten Otte <cotte@de.ibm.com>
To: Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
Christian Ehrhardt <EHRHARDT@de.ibm.com>,
hollisb@us.ibm.com, arnd@arndb.de,
kvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, mschwid2@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
heicars2@linux.vnet.ibm.com, jeroney@us.ibm.com,
borntrae@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>,
rvdheij@gmail.com, Olaf Schnapper <os@de.ibm.com>,
jblunck@suse.de, "Zhang, Xiantao" <xiantao.zhang@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC/PATCH 01/15] preparation: provide hook to enable pgstes in user pagetable
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:35:56 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <47E2CAAC.6020903@de.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1206040405.8232.24.camel@nimitz.home.sr71.net>
Dave Hansen wrote:
> Well, and more fundamentally: do we really want dup_mm() able to be
> called from other code?
>
> Maybe we need a bit more detailed justification why fork() itself isn't
> good enough. It looks to me like they basically need an arch-specific
> argument to fork, telling the new process's page tables to take the
> fancy new bit.
>
> I'm really curious how this new stuff is going to get used. Are you
> basically replacing fork() when creating kvm guests?
No. The trick is, that we do need bigger page tables when running
guests: our page tables are usually 2k, but when running a guest
they're 4k to track both guest and host dirty&reference information.
This looks like this:
*----------*
*2k PTE's *
*----------*
*2k PGSTE *
*----------*
We don't want to waste precious memory for all page tables. We'd like
to have one kernel image that runs regular server workload _and_
guests. Therefore, we need to reallocate the page table after fork()
once we know that task is going to be a hypervisor. That's what this
code does: reallocate a bigger page table to accomondate the extra
information. The task needs to be single-threaded when calling for
extended page tables.
Btw: at fork() time, we cannot tell whether or not the user's going to
be a hypervisor. Therefore we cannot do this in fork.
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From: Carsten Otte <cotte@de.ibm.com>
To: Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
Christian Ehrhardt <EHRHARDT@de.ibm.com>,
hollisb@us.ibm.com, arnd@arndb.de, borntrae@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
kvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, heicars2@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
jeroney@us.ibm.com, Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>,
virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
mschwid2@linux.vnet.ibm.com, rvdheij@gmail.com,
Olaf Schnapper <os@de.ibm.com>,
jblunck@suse.de, "Zhang, Xiantao" <xiantao.zhang@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [kvm-devel] [RFC/PATCH 01/15] preparation: provide hook to enable pgstes in user pagetable
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:35:56 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <47E2CAAC.6020903@de.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1206040405.8232.24.camel@nimitz.home.sr71.net>
Dave Hansen wrote:
> Well, and more fundamentally: do we really want dup_mm() able to be
> called from other code?
>
> Maybe we need a bit more detailed justification why fork() itself isn't
> good enough. It looks to me like they basically need an arch-specific
> argument to fork, telling the new process's page tables to take the
> fancy new bit.
>
> I'm really curious how this new stuff is going to get used. Are you
> basically replacing fork() when creating kvm guests?
No. The trick is, that we do need bigger page tables when running
guests: our page tables are usually 2k, but when running a guest
they're 4k to track both guest and host dirty&reference information.
This looks like this:
*----------*
*2k PTE's *
*----------*
*2k PGSTE *
*----------*
We don't want to waste precious memory for all page tables. We'd like
to have one kernel image that runs regular server workload _and_
guests. Therefore, we need to reallocate the page table after fork()
once we know that task is going to be a hypervisor. That's what this
code does: reallocate a bigger page table to accomondate the extra
information. The task needs to be single-threaded when calling for
extended page tables.
Btw: at fork() time, we cannot tell whether or not the user's going to
be a hypervisor. Therefore we cannot do this in fork.
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2008-03-20 16:24 ` [RFC/PATCH 01/15] preparation: provide hook to enable pgstes in user pagetable Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 16:24 ` Carsten Otte, Martin Schwidefsky
2008-03-20 17:28 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-03-20 17:28 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-03-20 19:13 ` Dave Hansen
2008-03-20 19:13 ` Dave Hansen
2008-03-20 19:13 ` Dave Hansen
2008-03-20 20:35 ` Carsten Otte [this message]
2008-03-20 20:35 ` [kvm-devel] " Carsten Otte
2008-03-21 18:29 ` Dave Hansen
2008-03-21 18:29 ` Dave Hansen
2008-03-21 19:03 ` Carsten Otte
2008-03-21 19:03 ` Carsten Otte
2008-03-22 17:57 ` Heiko Carstens
2008-03-22 17:57 ` [kvm-devel] " Heiko Carstens
2008-03-23 10:15 ` Avi Kivity
2008-03-23 10:15 ` Avi Kivity
2008-03-23 10:15 ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2008-03-23 18:23 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-03-23 18:23 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-03-24 6:57 ` Avi Kivity
2008-03-24 6:57 ` Avi Kivity
2008-03-24 6:57 ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2008-03-25 6:08 ` Carsten Otte
2008-03-25 6:08 ` [kvm-devel] " Carsten Otte
2008-03-25 6:12 ` Avi Kivity
2008-03-25 6:12 ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2008-03-25 6:12 ` Avi Kivity
2008-03-25 6:08 ` Carsten Otte
2008-03-22 17:57 ` Heiko Carstens
2008-03-25 15:37 ` Carsten Otte
2008-03-25 15:37 ` [kvm-devel] " Carsten Otte
2008-03-25 15:37 ` Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 20:35 ` Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 17:28 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-03-20 16:24 ` Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 16:24 ` [RFC/PATCH 02/15] preparation: host memory management changes for s390 kvm Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 16:24 ` Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 16:24 ` Carsten Otte, Heiko Carstens, Christian Borntraeger
2008-03-20 16:24 ` [RFC/PATCH 03/15] preparation: address of the 64bit extint parm in lowcore Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 16:24 ` Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 16:24 ` [RFC/PATCH 04/15] preparation: split sysinfo defintions for kvm use Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 16:24 ` Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 16:24 ` [RFC/PATCH 05/15] kvm-s390: s390 arch backend for the kvm kernel module Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 16:43 ` [RFC/PATCH 05/15] KVM_MAX_VCPUS Hollis Blanchard
2008-03-20 16:48 ` Carsten Otte
2008-03-21 10:41 ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2008-03-21 11:13 ` Carsten Otte
2008-03-21 11:13 ` Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 16:48 ` Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 16:43 ` Hollis Blanchard
2008-03-20 16:24 ` [RFC/PATCH 05/15] kvm-s390: s390 arch backend for the kvm kernel module Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 16:25 ` [RFC/PATCH 06/15] kvm-s390: sie intercept handling Carsten Otte
2008-03-21 10:53 ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2008-03-21 11:26 ` Carsten Otte
2008-03-21 11:26 ` [kvm-devel] " Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 16:25 ` Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 16:25 ` [RFC/PATCH 07/15] kvm-s390: interrupt subsystem, cpu timer, waitpsw Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 16:25 ` Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 16:25 ` [RFC/PATCH 08/15] kvm-s390: intercepts for privileged instructions Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 16:25 ` Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 16:25 ` [RFC/PATCH 09/15] kvm-s390: interprocessor communication via sigp Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 16:25 ` Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 16:25 ` [RFC/PATCH 10/15] kvm-s390: intercepts for diagnose instructions Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 16:25 ` Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 16:25 ` [RFC/PATCH 11/15] kvm-s390: add kvm to kconfig on s390 Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 16:25 ` Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 16:25 ` [RFC/PATCH 12/15] kvm-s390: API documentation Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 17:22 ` Randy Dunlap
2008-03-21 10:33 ` [kvm-devel] " Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 17:22 ` Randy Dunlap
2008-03-20 16:25 ` Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 16:25 ` [RFC/PATCH 13/15] kvm-s390: update maintainers Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 16:25 ` Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 16:25 ` [RFC/PATCH 14/15] guest: detect when running on kvm Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 17:16 ` Randy Dunlap
2008-03-20 17:27 ` Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 17:27 ` Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 17:16 ` Randy Dunlap
2008-03-20 17:53 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-03-20 20:37 ` [kvm-devel] " Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 20:37 ` Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 19:41 ` [kvm-devel] " Christoph Hellwig
2008-03-20 19:41 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-03-20 20:59 ` [kvm-devel] " Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 20:59 ` Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 21:22 ` Heiko Carstens
2008-03-21 11:12 ` [kvm-devel] " Carsten Otte
2008-03-21 11:12 ` Carsten Otte
2008-03-21 14:06 ` Heiko Carstens
2008-03-21 14:33 ` [kvm-devel] " Carsten Otte
2008-03-21 14:33 ` Carsten Otte
2008-03-22 17:25 ` Heiko Carstens
2008-03-22 17:25 ` [kvm-devel] " Heiko Carstens
2008-03-21 14:06 ` Heiko Carstens
2008-03-20 21:22 ` Heiko Carstens
2008-03-20 17:53 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-03-20 16:25 ` Carsten Otte
2008-03-20 16:25 ` [RFC/PATCH 15/15] guest: virtio device support, and kvm hypercalls Carsten Otte
2008-03-21 0:24 ` Rusty Russell
2008-03-21 7:12 ` [kvm-devel] " Carsten Otte
2008-03-21 7:12 ` Carsten Otte
2008-03-21 8:15 ` Christian Borntraeger
2008-03-21 8:15 ` Christian Borntraeger
2008-03-21 23:30 ` Rusty Russell
2008-03-22 7:36 ` Carsten Otte
2008-03-22 7:36 ` Carsten Otte
2008-03-21 23:30 ` Rusty Russell
2008-03-21 0:24 ` Rusty Russell
2008-03-21 10:44 ` Avi Kivity
2008-03-20 16:25 ` Carsten Otte
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