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From: Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Paul Menage <menage@google.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>,
	Sudhir Kumar <skumar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	YAMAMOTO Takashi <yamamoto@valinux.co.jp>,
	lizf@cn.fujitsu.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	taka@valinux.co.jp, David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Pavel Emelianov <xemul@openvz.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][-mm] Memory controller add mm->owner
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:11:39 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47E8E4F3.6090604@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6599ad830803241046l61e2965t52fd28e165d5df7a@mail.gmail.com>

Paul Menage wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Balbir Singh
> <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
>>  > OK, so we don't need to handle this for NPTL apps - but for anything
>>  > still using LinuxThreads or manually constructed clone() calls that
>>  > use CLONE_VM without CLONE_PID, this could still be an issue.
>>
>>  CLONE_PID?? Do you mean CLONE_THREAD?
> 
> Yes, sorry - CLONE_THREAD.
> 
>>  For the case you mentioned, mm->owner is a moving target and we don't want to
>>  spend time finding the successor, that can be expensive when threads start
>>  exiting one-by-one quickly and when the number of threads are high. I wonder if
>>  there is an efficient way to find mm->owner in that case.
>>
> 
> But:
> 
> - running a high-threadcount LinuxThreads process is by definition
> inefficient and expensive (hence the move to NPTL)
> 
> - any potential performance hit is only paid at exit time
> 
> - in the normal case, any of your children or one of your siblings
> will be a suitable alternate owner
> 
> - in the worst case, it's not going to be worse than doing a
> for_each_thread() loop
> 
> so I don't think this would be a major problem
> 

I've been looking at zap_threads, I suspect we'll end up implementing a similar
loop, which makes me very uncomfortable. Adding code for the least possible
scenario. It will not get invoked for CLONE_THREAD, but will get invoked for the
case when CLONE_VM is set without CLONE_THREAD.

I'll try and experiment a bit more and see what I come up with


-- 
	Warm Regards,
	Balbir Singh
	Linux Technology Center
	IBM, ISTL

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From: Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Paul Menage <menage@google.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>,
	Sudhir Kumar <skumar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	YAMAMOTO Takashi <yamamoto@valinux.co.jp>,
	lizf@cn.fujitsu.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	taka@valinux.co.jp, David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Pavel Emelianov <xemul@openvz.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][-mm] Memory controller add mm->owner
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:11:39 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47E8E4F3.6090604@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6599ad830803241046l61e2965t52fd28e165d5df7a@mail.gmail.com>

Paul Menage wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Balbir Singh
> <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
>>  > OK, so we don't need to handle this for NPTL apps - but for anything
>>  > still using LinuxThreads or manually constructed clone() calls that
>>  > use CLONE_VM without CLONE_PID, this could still be an issue.
>>
>>  CLONE_PID?? Do you mean CLONE_THREAD?
> 
> Yes, sorry - CLONE_THREAD.
> 
>>  For the case you mentioned, mm->owner is a moving target and we don't want to
>>  spend time finding the successor, that can be expensive when threads start
>>  exiting one-by-one quickly and when the number of threads are high. I wonder if
>>  there is an efficient way to find mm->owner in that case.
>>
> 
> But:
> 
> - running a high-threadcount LinuxThreads process is by definition
> inefficient and expensive (hence the move to NPTL)
> 
> - any potential performance hit is only paid at exit time
> 
> - in the normal case, any of your children or one of your siblings
> will be a suitable alternate owner
> 
> - in the worst case, it's not going to be worse than doing a
> for_each_thread() loop
> 
> so I don't think this would be a major problem
> 

I've been looking at zap_threads, I suspect we'll end up implementing a similar
loop, which makes me very uncomfortable. Adding code for the least possible
scenario. It will not get invoked for CLONE_THREAD, but will get invoked for the
case when CLONE_VM is set without CLONE_THREAD.

I'll try and experiment a bit more and see what I come up with


-- 
	Warm Regards,
	Balbir Singh
	Linux Technology Center
	IBM, ISTL

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-03-25 11:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-24 14:01 [RFC][-mm] Memory controller add mm->owner Balbir Singh
2008-03-24 14:01 ` Balbir Singh
2008-03-24 15:03 ` Paul Menage
2008-03-24 15:03   ` Paul Menage
2008-03-24 16:21   ` Balbir Singh
2008-03-24 16:21     ` Balbir Singh
2008-03-24 16:34     ` Paul Menage
2008-03-24 16:34       ` Paul Menage
2008-03-24 17:33       ` Balbir Singh
2008-03-24 17:33         ` Balbir Singh
2008-03-24 17:46         ` Paul Menage
2008-03-24 17:46           ` Paul Menage
2008-03-25 11:41           ` Balbir Singh [this message]
2008-03-25 11:41             ` Balbir Singh
2008-03-26 10:29             ` Balbir Singh
2008-03-26 10:29               ` Balbir Singh
2008-03-26 11:20               ` Paul Menage
2008-03-26 11:20                 ` Paul Menage
2008-03-26 11:41                 ` Balbir Singh
2008-03-26 11:41                   ` Balbir Singh
2008-03-26 15:21                   ` Paul Menage
2008-03-26 15:21                     ` Paul Menage
2008-03-25  1:26 ` Li Zefan
2008-03-25  1:26   ` Li Zefan
2008-03-25 15:48   ` Balbir Singh
2008-03-25 15:48     ` Balbir Singh

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