From: Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Paul Menage <menage@google.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>,
Sudhir Kumar <skumar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
YAMAMOTO Takashi <yamamoto@valinux.co.jp>,
lizf@cn.fujitsu.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
taka@valinux.co.jp, David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
Pavel Emelianov <xemul@openvz.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][-mm] Memory controller add mm->owner
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:11:39 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <47E8E4F3.6090604@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6599ad830803241046l61e2965t52fd28e165d5df7a@mail.gmail.com>
Paul Menage wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Balbir Singh
> <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
>> > OK, so we don't need to handle this for NPTL apps - but for anything
>> > still using LinuxThreads or manually constructed clone() calls that
>> > use CLONE_VM without CLONE_PID, this could still be an issue.
>>
>> CLONE_PID?? Do you mean CLONE_THREAD?
>
> Yes, sorry - CLONE_THREAD.
>
>> For the case you mentioned, mm->owner is a moving target and we don't want to
>> spend time finding the successor, that can be expensive when threads start
>> exiting one-by-one quickly and when the number of threads are high. I wonder if
>> there is an efficient way to find mm->owner in that case.
>>
>
> But:
>
> - running a high-threadcount LinuxThreads process is by definition
> inefficient and expensive (hence the move to NPTL)
>
> - any potential performance hit is only paid at exit time
>
> - in the normal case, any of your children or one of your siblings
> will be a suitable alternate owner
>
> - in the worst case, it's not going to be worse than doing a
> for_each_thread() loop
>
> so I don't think this would be a major problem
>
I've been looking at zap_threads, I suspect we'll end up implementing a similar
loop, which makes me very uncomfortable. Adding code for the least possible
scenario. It will not get invoked for CLONE_THREAD, but will get invoked for the
case when CLONE_VM is set without CLONE_THREAD.
I'll try and experiment a bit more and see what I come up with
--
Warm Regards,
Balbir Singh
Linux Technology Center
IBM, ISTL
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From: Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Paul Menage <menage@google.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>,
Sudhir Kumar <skumar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
YAMAMOTO Takashi <yamamoto@valinux.co.jp>,
lizf@cn.fujitsu.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
taka@valinux.co.jp, David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
Pavel Emelianov <xemul@openvz.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][-mm] Memory controller add mm->owner
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:11:39 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <47E8E4F3.6090604@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6599ad830803241046l61e2965t52fd28e165d5df7a@mail.gmail.com>
Paul Menage wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Balbir Singh
> <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
>> > OK, so we don't need to handle this for NPTL apps - but for anything
>> > still using LinuxThreads or manually constructed clone() calls that
>> > use CLONE_VM without CLONE_PID, this could still be an issue.
>>
>> CLONE_PID?? Do you mean CLONE_THREAD?
>
> Yes, sorry - CLONE_THREAD.
>
>> For the case you mentioned, mm->owner is a moving target and we don't want to
>> spend time finding the successor, that can be expensive when threads start
>> exiting one-by-one quickly and when the number of threads are high. I wonder if
>> there is an efficient way to find mm->owner in that case.
>>
>
> But:
>
> - running a high-threadcount LinuxThreads process is by definition
> inefficient and expensive (hence the move to NPTL)
>
> - any potential performance hit is only paid at exit time
>
> - in the normal case, any of your children or one of your siblings
> will be a suitable alternate owner
>
> - in the worst case, it's not going to be worse than doing a
> for_each_thread() loop
>
> so I don't think this would be a major problem
>
I've been looking at zap_threads, I suspect we'll end up implementing a similar
loop, which makes me very uncomfortable. Adding code for the least possible
scenario. It will not get invoked for CLONE_THREAD, but will get invoked for the
case when CLONE_VM is set without CLONE_THREAD.
I'll try and experiment a bit more and see what I come up with
--
Warm Regards,
Balbir Singh
Linux Technology Center
IBM, ISTL
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-03-25 11:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-03-24 14:01 [RFC][-mm] Memory controller add mm->owner Balbir Singh
2008-03-24 14:01 ` Balbir Singh
2008-03-24 15:03 ` Paul Menage
2008-03-24 15:03 ` Paul Menage
2008-03-24 16:21 ` Balbir Singh
2008-03-24 16:21 ` Balbir Singh
2008-03-24 16:34 ` Paul Menage
2008-03-24 16:34 ` Paul Menage
2008-03-24 17:33 ` Balbir Singh
2008-03-24 17:33 ` Balbir Singh
2008-03-24 17:46 ` Paul Menage
2008-03-24 17:46 ` Paul Menage
2008-03-25 11:41 ` Balbir Singh [this message]
2008-03-25 11:41 ` Balbir Singh
2008-03-26 10:29 ` Balbir Singh
2008-03-26 10:29 ` Balbir Singh
2008-03-26 11:20 ` Paul Menage
2008-03-26 11:20 ` Paul Menage
2008-03-26 11:41 ` Balbir Singh
2008-03-26 11:41 ` Balbir Singh
2008-03-26 15:21 ` Paul Menage
2008-03-26 15:21 ` Paul Menage
2008-03-25 1:26 ` Li Zefan
2008-03-25 1:26 ` Li Zefan
2008-03-25 15:48 ` Balbir Singh
2008-03-25 15:48 ` Balbir Singh
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