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From: Mark Lord <lkml@rtr.ca>
To: Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.org>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	jikos@suse.cz
Subject: Re: 2.6.25-rc7:  Ugh.
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:30:46 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47F11FC6.8010701@rtr.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47F11D8F.4020209@rtr.ca>

Mark Lord wrote:
> Mark Lord wrote:
>> Mark Lord wrote:
>>> Oliver Neukum wrote:
>>>> Am Montag, 31. März 2008 17:04:46 schrieb Mark Lord:
>>>>> Oliver Neukum wrote:
>>>>>> Am Montag, 31. März 2008 16:39:33 schrieb Mark Lord:
>> ..
>>>>>>> Still want USB_SUSPEND=n ?  Please explain.
>>>>>> It looks like you are hanging in the kthread for autosuspending.
>>>>>> Compiling that out should confirm it.
>>>>> ..
>>>>>
>>>>> Okay, and once we see that it works fine:  then what?
>>>>
>>>> We'll combine that information with the result of only removing usbhid
>>>> and arrive at a pretty good idea where in the kernel the hang occurs.
>>>> There are only two functions that touch autosuspend in the usbhid code.
>>>> So if it works with usbhid unloaded, either of them should be to blame.
>>> ..
>>> It does still hang with *usbhid* unloaded,
>>> but not if all USB stuff is unloaded.
>> ..
>>
>> And it does *not* hang with # CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND is not set.
>>
>>> I have figured out a way to make this much more reproducible now:
>>> When suspended, the notebook does not supply +5V over USB.
>>> But with a voltmeter, I discovered that there is sufficient capacitance
>>> on the USB +5V, that it takes many minutes for the voltage to decay
>>> from 5.1V down to near 0V.
>>>
>>> Resuming while the voltage is still relatively high, generally works.
>>> Resuming after the voltage drops to near zero, always fails (with USB 
>>> modules loaded).
>>>
>>> So I've put a 2Kohm resistor across the USB +5V lines,
>>> forcing it to decay to zero within about 5 seconds.
>>> This helps a lot for debugging here.
>>>
>>> It probably also provides a vital clue as to what is wrong.
>>> Resume seems to generally work when the USB devices maintain
>>> some amount of standby power, and always fails when they don't.
> ..
> 
> Note that it makes no difference whether I unplug all external USB devices
> prior to suspend or not.  The failure patterns remain the same.
..

I've now removed the internal USB-Bluetooth adaptor, so we can now test
without any USB devices connected.

Suspend without any USB devices plugged-in, and it *always* resumes fine
with working USB, even when the USB stuff is plugged in before hitting
the resume button.

But suspend *with* any USB device plugged-in, and it *always* fails resume,
even when the USB device is unplugged before hitting the resume button.

Conclusion:   the bug is in the usb SUSPEND code, not the RESUME code.

  reply	other threads:[~2008-03-31 17:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-27 15:29 2.6.25-rc7: Ugh Mark Lord
2008-03-27 16:07 ` Greg KH
2008-03-28  0:32   ` Jiri Kosina
2008-03-28  1:57     ` Mark Lord
2008-03-28  3:12       ` David Miller
2008-03-28  4:42         ` Bob Tracy
2008-03-28  4:56           ` David Miller
2008-03-28  5:17             ` Mark Lord
2008-03-28  6:01               ` david
2008-03-28 16:34             ` Bob Tracy
2008-04-05 18:23             ` Bill Davidsen
2008-03-28  5:36         ` Mike Galbraith
2008-03-28  5:46         ` Mark Lord
2008-03-28  5:52           ` Mark Lord
2008-03-28  6:05             ` Mark Lord
2008-03-28  6:58               ` David Brownell
2008-03-28  9:16                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-03-28  9:49                   ` David Brownell
2008-03-28 10:20                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-03-28 11:01                       ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-28 15:03                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-03-28 20:14                         ` David Brownell
2008-03-28 12:51                     ` Kconfig RTC selection (was: 2.6.25-rc7: Ugh.) Tilman Schmidt
2008-03-28 13:49                       ` Kconfig RTC selection Mark Lord
2008-03-28 19:22                       ` Kconfig RTC selection (was: 2.6.25-rc7: Ugh.) David Brownell
2008-03-29 12:55                         ` Kconfig RTC selection Tilman Schmidt
2008-03-28 13:47                     ` 2.6.25-rc7: Ugh Mark Lord
2008-03-28 20:04                       ` Kconfig RTC selection (was: 2.6.25-rc7: Ugh.) David Brownell
2008-03-28 21:06                         ` Adrian Bunk
2008-03-28 21:23                           ` David Brownell
2008-03-28 21:33                             ` Adrian Bunk
2008-03-28 21:45                               ` David Brownell
2008-03-28 21:59                                 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-03-28 22:18                                   ` David Brownell
2008-03-28 22:36                                     ` Adrian Bunk
2008-03-29 11:40                                     ` [rtc-linux] " Alessandro Zummo
2008-03-28 14:56                     ` 2.6.25-rc7: Ugh Jan Engelhardt
2008-03-28 17:47                       ` Adrian Bunk
2008-03-29  3:58               ` Mark Lord
2008-03-28  1:51   ` Mark Lord
2008-03-28  2:11   ` Mark Lord
2008-03-28  2:13     ` Mark Lord
2008-03-28 14:34     ` Alan Stern
2008-03-28 14:57       ` Mark Lord
2008-03-27 22:00 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-03-28  5:22   ` Mark Lord
2008-03-28  2:14 ` Mark Lord
2008-03-28  9:24   ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-30 21:04     ` Mark Lord
2008-03-30 21:09       ` Mark Lord
2008-03-31 11:55       ` Oliver Neukum
2008-03-31 14:39         ` Mark Lord
2008-03-31 15:04           ` Oliver Neukum
2008-03-31 15:04             ` Mark Lord
2008-03-31 15:14               ` Mark Lord
2008-03-31 16:37               ` Oliver Neukum
2008-03-31 17:03                 ` Mark Lord
2008-03-31 17:06                   ` Mark Lord
2008-03-31 17:15                   ` Mark Lord
2008-03-31 17:21                     ` Mark Lord
2008-03-31 17:30                       ` Mark Lord [this message]
2008-03-31 18:05                         ` Oliver Neukum
2008-03-31 19:21                           ` Mark Lord
2008-04-02  8:04                             ` Oliver Neukum
2008-04-02 14:38                               ` Mark Lord
2008-04-02 14:38                                 ` Mark Lord
2008-04-02 15:05                                   ` 2.6.25-rc7/rc8 USB dead on resume Mark Lord
2008-04-02 15:21                                     ` Oliver Neukum
2008-04-02 15:08                                   ` 2.6.25-rc7: Ugh Alan Stern
2008-04-02 15:44                                     ` 2.6.25-rc7: Ugh. ---> PATCH Mark Lord
2008-04-02 15:47                                       ` Mark Lord
2008-04-02 15:49                                         ` Mark Lord
2008-04-02 20:09                                       ` Alan Stern
2008-04-02 16:04                                     ` 2.6.25-rc7: Ugh David Brownell
2008-04-02 16:09                                       ` Mark Lord
2008-04-02 20:22                                         ` David Brownell
2008-04-02 16:20                                       ` [PATCH] usb ehci_iaa_watchdog fix Mark Lord
2008-04-02 16:48                                         ` Alan Stern
2008-04-02 17:34                                           ` Mark Lord
2008-04-02 18:08                                             ` Mark Lord
2008-04-02 19:20                                               ` Alan Stern
2008-04-02 20:42                                                 ` David Brownell
2008-04-02 21:08                                                   ` Alan Stern
2008-04-07 23:37                                                     ` David Brownell
2008-04-08  2:13                                                       ` Alan Stern
2008-04-02 20:31                                           ` David Brownell
2008-04-02 20:55                                             ` Alan Stern
2008-04-02 23:07                                               ` David Brownell
2008-04-02 16:56                                         ` David Brownell
2008-04-01  9:59                           ` 2.6.25-rc7: Ugh Pavel Machek

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