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From: Patrick McHardy <kaber@trash.net>
To: Juliusz Chroboczek <Juliusz.Chroboczek@pps.jussieu.fr>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Stochastic Fair Blue queue discipline
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:07:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47FF6287.7010601@trash.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7izls2uffi.fsf@lanthane.pps.jussieu.fr>

Juliusz Chroboczek wrote:
>> - traffic schedulers shouldn't depend on perfect random,
>> its more about statistical multiplexing.
> 
> Okay, I've been thinking about this, and I'm not quite sure that what
> sfq and sfb want is a pseudo-random sequence in the first place.
> 
> Sfq and sfb only draw random numbers in order to change hashing
> functions periodically, so as not to have an innocent flow stuck
> within a hash bucket with a non-reactive flow.  For sfb it doesn't
> matter much (collisions in a Bloom filter are so rare as to be almost
> nonexistent), but for sfq, it is fairly important.
> 
> Now assuming jhash is any good, i.e. that a single bit change in the
> input changes all output bits with roughly similar probability (and
> I don't know whether it is), it shouldn't matter much what sequence of
> u32 we use for the perturbation as long as it doesn't repeat values
> too often.  Something as simple as a static counter might actually be
> good enough.
> 
> So I'd argue that the wise thing is to make sure of is that jhash is
> good (in the sense above), and not bother too much with the PRNG.


Agreed. jhash gives pretty good distribution, so we should be fine.

  reply	other threads:[~2008-04-11 13:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-07 22:37 [PATCH] Stochastic Fair Blue queue discipline Juliusz Chroboczek
2008-04-08  0:04 ` Patrick McHardy
2008-04-08  0:56   ` Patrick McHardy
2008-04-08 15:28   ` Juliusz Chroboczek
2008-04-08  8:20 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-08 12:11   ` Patrick McHardy
2008-04-08 15:39     ` Juliusz Chroboczek
2008-04-08 15:45       ` Patrick McHardy
2008-04-09 15:48         ` Juliusz Chroboczek
2008-04-09 16:00           ` Patrick McHardy
2008-04-08 15:38   ` Juliusz Chroboczek
2008-04-08 16:32     ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-08 17:35       ` Juliusz Chroboczek
2008-04-08 17:53         ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-09 15:45           ` Juliusz Chroboczek
2008-04-09 17:49             ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-10  1:23               ` Patrick McHardy
2008-04-10  1:38                 ` Patrick McHardy
2008-04-10 11:17                   ` Juliusz Chroboczek
2008-04-11 13:07                     ` Patrick McHardy [this message]
2008-04-10 14:04                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2008-04-10  7:36                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-08 16:44 ` Patrick McHardy

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