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From: Rene Herman <rene.herman@keyaccess.nl>
To: stan <ghjeold_i_mwee@cox.net>
Cc: ALSA Development Mailing List <alsa-devel@alsa-project.org>
Subject: Re: What does 0dB refer to? (Logitech USB Speakers)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:28:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48023497.70404@keyaccess.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48022413.5020706@cox.net>

On 13-04-08 17:17, stan wrote:

> Rene Herman wrote:

>> On 13-04-08 12:51, James Courtier-Dutton wrote:
>>
>>   
>>> It seems to me that whatever way you look at this, A default value of 
>>> "MUTE" is really the only safe level for all sound card types.
>>>     
>> Always good to be ignored. How about that card specific "defaults" setup 
>> that I suggested?

> I think this would theoretically work, but it requires creating and 
> maintaining a database of all sound cards.  And if a card is not in the 
> database, there still has to be a default behavior.  ;-)

That default would just be "do nothing" -- ie, keep things muted as now.

> Perhaps an entry could be added to the .asoundrc or asound.state file 
> that sets this.  Although the main time this is of import is the first 
> time a sound card is used, so there would have to be a default entry  
> :-).  After that it retains its previous state and is not as important.
> 
> It looks like mute is a reasonable compromise, except for blind users.

For all I and most other sensible (and non-blind) people care, it is, but as 
James said, distributions disagree. Generally, it's possible to provide a 
set of reasonable "non-mute default" on a per card basis but ALSA is the 
only one that can do so. I don't believe that creating a default control 
settings file upon submission of a new driver would be unreasonable. We 
already have /usr/share/alsa/cards/<card>.conf as well. Keeping it in sync 
over changes to the driver might be a slight problem.

But, like you yourself conclude, in the end just changing nothing is the 
other option and that's something distribution disagree with. Not I...

Rene.

  reply	other threads:[~2008-04-13 16:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-11 20:46 What does 0dB refer to? (Logitech USB Speakers) Lennart Poettering
2008-04-12  0:09 ` Mark Brown
2008-04-12  7:27 ` John Rigg
2008-04-12 11:15 ` James Courtier-Dutton
2008-04-12 12:01   ` John Rigg
2008-04-12 13:16     ` Lennart Poettering
2008-04-12 13:35   ` Lennart Poettering
2008-04-12 18:14     ` James Courtier-Dutton
2008-04-12 18:25       ` Florian Faber
2008-04-12 19:26         ` James Courtier-Dutton
2008-04-12 19:34           ` James Courtier-Dutton
2008-04-12 19:37           ` Rene Herman
2008-04-14 16:48             ` Lennart Poettering
2008-04-14 17:00               ` Rene Herman
2008-04-14 17:24                 ` Lennart Poettering
2008-04-14 22:47                   ` Rene Herman
2008-04-14 23:57                     ` Lennart Poettering
2008-04-15  1:04                       ` Rene Herman
2008-04-15  4:09                       ` Florian Faber
2008-04-15 17:02                         ` Rene Herman
2008-04-12 21:41           ` John Rigg
2008-04-12 21:55             ` James Courtier-Dutton
2008-04-12 22:09               ` Rene Herman
2008-04-12 22:23                 ` Rene Herman
2008-04-14 16:58                 ` Lennart Poettering
2008-04-14 17:28                   ` Rene Herman
2008-04-12 22:43               ` John Rigg
2008-04-13 12:36               ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2008-04-14 16:56               ` Lennart Poettering
2008-04-14 16:50           ` Lennart Poettering
2008-04-15 15:03         ` Wolfgang Woehl
2008-04-12 21:14       ` John Rigg
2008-04-12 21:54         ` stan
2008-04-12 23:00           ` John Rigg
2008-04-12 23:24             ` Lee Revell
2008-04-13 10:51               ` James Courtier-Dutton
2008-04-13 11:26                 ` Florian Faber
2008-04-13 12:09                   ` James Courtier-Dutton
2008-04-13 11:52                 ` Rene Herman
2008-04-13 15:17                   ` stan
2008-04-13 16:28                     ` Rene Herman [this message]
2008-04-14 16:40       ` Lennart Poettering
2008-04-12 19:32     ` Rene Herman
2008-04-12 21:16       ` Rene Herman
2008-04-13 17:48         ` Mark Brown
2008-04-14 17:00       ` Lennart Poettering
2008-04-14 17:22         ` Rene Herman
2008-04-14 17:28           ` Lennart Poettering
2008-04-14 21:07             ` James Courtier-Dutton
2008-04-14 22:08               ` Aldrin Martoq
2008-04-14 23:43                 ` Lennart Poettering
2008-04-14 23:54                   ` Lee Revell
2008-04-15  2:18                   ` Aldrin Martoq
2008-04-15  3:52               ` Florian Faber
2008-04-15 12:32                 ` John Rigg
2008-04-15 13:12                 ` John Rigg
2008-04-15 14:33                   ` Rene Herman
2008-04-16 14:29                     ` Rene Herman
2008-04-16 15:19                       ` Rene Herman
2008-04-16 15:37                         ` Rene Herman
2008-04-17 20:39                           ` James Courtier-Dutton
2008-04-17 21:30                             ` Rene Herman
2008-06-09 23:37                               ` Rene Herman
2008-04-15 14:43                   ` James Courtier-Dutton
2008-04-15 16:55                     ` John Rigg
2008-04-15 15:42                 ` Wolfgang Woehl
2008-04-15 15:51                   ` Rene Herman
2008-04-15 16:41                   ` John Rigg
2008-04-15 17:14                     ` Wolfgang Woehl
2008-04-15 17:50                       ` John Rigg
2008-04-20  1:01               ` Lennart Poettering
2008-04-20 15:23                 ` stan
2008-04-21  3:20                   ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2008-04-21 13:43                 ` Takashi Iwai
2008-04-21 15:25                   ` Rene Herman
2008-04-21 16:01                   ` Jaroslav Kysela
2008-04-21 16:06                     ` Takashi Iwai
2008-04-21 16:09                       ` Jaroslav Kysela
2008-04-21 16:17                         ` Takashi Iwai
2008-04-15 10:17 ` Takashi Iwai
2008-04-20  0:00   ` Lennart Poettering
2008-04-21 13:32     ` Takashi Iwai
2008-04-21 17:10       ` Rene Herman

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