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From: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@web.de>
To: Hollis Blanchard <hollisb@us.ibm.com>
Cc: kvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	kvm-ppc-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, jyoung5@us.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] [RFC] Reworking KVM_DEBUG_GUEST
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 19:49:02 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <482B422E.3000007@web.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200805141433.44192.hollisb@us.ibm.com>


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Hollis Blanchard wrote:
> On Wednesday 14 May 2008 14:10:06 Jan Kiszka wrote:
>> Hollis Blanchard wrote:
>>> On Wednesday 14 May 2008 10:28:51 Jan Kiszka wrote:
>>>> So gdb on power relies only on those few hw-breakpoints? With x86 you
>>>> can perfectly run gdb (with soft BPs) in parallel with the gdbstub
>>>> (currently based on hw-BPs, but the same would be true for soft-BPs
>>>> inserted by the gdbstub).
>>> GDB on Power inserts trap instructions, i.e. standard "soft" breakpoints. 
> It 
>>> does not rely on the hardware breakpoints.
>>>
>>> It gets a little more complicated when you involve a GDB stub. IIRC, GDB 
> will 
>>> ask the stub to set the breakpoint, and if the stub doesn't support it, 
> GDB 
>>> will fall back to overwriting the instructions in memory. Does the Qemu 
> GDB 
>>> stub advertise breakpoint support?
>> Yes, QEMU reacts on both Z0 (soft-BP) and Z1 (hard-BP). That's something
>> even gdbserver does not do! It just handles watchpoints (Z2..4).
>>
>>> If not, the only support needed in KVM would be to send all debug 
> interrupts 
>>> to qemu, and allow qemu to send them back down for in-guest breakpoints.
>>>
>> Simply returning "unsupported" on Z0 is not yet enough for x86, KVM's
>> kernel side should not yet inform QEMU about soft-BP exceptions. But in
>> theory, this should be easily fixable (or is already the case for other
>> archs). And it would safe us from keeping track of N software
>> breakpoints, where N could even become larger than 32, the current
>> hardcoded limit for plain QEMU. :)
>>
>> Meanwhile I realized that the proposed KVM_DEBUG_GUEST API is
>> insufficient: We need a return channel for the debug register state
>> (specifically to figure out details about hit watchpoints). I'm now
>> favoring KVM_SET_DEBUG and KVM_GET_DEBUG as two new IOCTLs, enabling us
>> to write _and_ read-back the suggested data structure.
> 
> How about simply extending kvm_exit.debug to contain the virtual address of 
> the breakpoint hit?

Ah, there is an interface for such stuff already! And it can even take
quite some payload...

> In Qemu, when exit_reason == KVM_EXIT_DEBUG, it would 
> just need to see if that address is for a breakpoint Qemu set or not. If so, 
> it's happy. If not, (commence handwaving) tell KVM to forward the debug 
> interrupt to the guest. This way, the list of breakpoints is maintained in 
> userspace (in the qemu gdb stub), which is nice because it could be 
> arbitrarily large.

Yes, but I would rather pass the debug registers (more general: some
arch dependent state set) back in this slot. Those contain everything
the gdbstub needs to know to catch relevant hardware-BP/watchpoint
events (and report them to the gdb frontend).

> 
> Also, this is not specific to hardware debug registers: soft and hard 
> breakpoint interrupts would follow the same path. There's still a question of 
> whether the GDB stub should set the breakpoint itself (Z0/Z1) or force GDB to 
> modify memory, but either way the KVM code is simple.

Only rejecting Z0 will enable us to avoid any soft-BP tracking in
qemu-kvm, and that is definitely my plan. Z1 may become an option to add
later on and would be answered as "unsupported" for now.

Jan


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From: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@web.de>
To: Hollis Blanchard <hollisb@us.ibm.com>
Cc: kvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	kvm-ppc-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, jyoung5@us.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [RFC] Reworking KVM_DEBUG_GUEST
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 21:49:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <482B422E.3000007@web.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200805141433.44192.hollisb@us.ibm.com>


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Hollis Blanchard wrote:
> On Wednesday 14 May 2008 14:10:06 Jan Kiszka wrote:
>> Hollis Blanchard wrote:
>>> On Wednesday 14 May 2008 10:28:51 Jan Kiszka wrote:
>>>> So gdb on power relies only on those few hw-breakpoints? With x86 you
>>>> can perfectly run gdb (with soft BPs) in parallel with the gdbstub
>>>> (currently based on hw-BPs, but the same would be true for soft-BPs
>>>> inserted by the gdbstub).
>>> GDB on Power inserts trap instructions, i.e. standard "soft" breakpoints. 
> It 
>>> does not rely on the hardware breakpoints.
>>>
>>> It gets a little more complicated when you involve a GDB stub. IIRC, GDB 
> will 
>>> ask the stub to set the breakpoint, and if the stub doesn't support it, 
> GDB 
>>> will fall back to overwriting the instructions in memory. Does the Qemu 
> GDB 
>>> stub advertise breakpoint support?
>> Yes, QEMU reacts on both Z0 (soft-BP) and Z1 (hard-BP). That's something
>> even gdbserver does not do! It just handles watchpoints (Z2..4).
>>
>>> If not, the only support needed in KVM would be to send all debug 
> interrupts 
>>> to qemu, and allow qemu to send them back down for in-guest breakpoints.
>>>
>> Simply returning "unsupported" on Z0 is not yet enough for x86, KVM's
>> kernel side should not yet inform QEMU about soft-BP exceptions. But in
>> theory, this should be easily fixable (or is already the case for other
>> archs). And it would safe us from keeping track of N software
>> breakpoints, where N could even become larger than 32, the current
>> hardcoded limit for plain QEMU. :)
>>
>> Meanwhile I realized that the proposed KVM_DEBUG_GUEST API is
>> insufficient: We need a return channel for the debug register state
>> (specifically to figure out details about hit watchpoints). I'm now
>> favoring KVM_SET_DEBUG and KVM_GET_DEBUG as two new IOCTLs, enabling us
>> to write _and_ read-back the suggested data structure.
> 
> How about simply extending kvm_exit.debug to contain the virtual address of 
> the breakpoint hit?

Ah, there is an interface for such stuff already! And it can even take
quite some payload...

> In Qemu, when exit_reason == KVM_EXIT_DEBUG, it would 
> just need to see if that address is for a breakpoint Qemu set or not. If so, 
> it's happy. If not, (commence handwaving) tell KVM to forward the debug 
> interrupt to the guest. This way, the list of breakpoints is maintained in 
> userspace (in the qemu gdb stub), which is nice because it could be 
> arbitrarily large.

Yes, but I would rather pass the debug registers (more general: some
arch dependent state set) back in this slot. Those contain everything
the gdbstub needs to know to catch relevant hardware-BP/watchpoint
events (and report them to the gdb frontend).

> 
> Also, this is not specific to hardware debug registers: soft and hard 
> breakpoint interrupts would follow the same path. There's still a question of 
> whether the GDB stub should set the breakpoint itself (Z0/Z1) or force GDB to 
> modify memory, but either way the KVM code is simple.

Only rejecting Z0 will enable us to avoid any soft-BP tracking in
qemu-kvm, and that is definitely my plan. Z1 may become an option to add
later on and would be answered as "unsupported" for now.

Jan


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Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-12 11:34 [RFC] Reworking KVM_DEBUG_GUEST Jan Kiszka
2008-05-14 15:12 ` Jerone Young
2008-05-14 15:28   ` Jan Kiszka
2008-05-14 15:55     ` Jerone Young
2008-05-14 18:25     ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-05-14 18:25       ` Hollis Blanchard
2008-05-14 19:10       ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Jan Kiszka
2008-05-14 19:10         ` Jan Kiszka
2008-05-14 19:33         ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-05-14 19:33           ` Hollis Blanchard
2008-05-14 19:49           ` Jan Kiszka [this message]
2008-05-14 19:49             ` Jan Kiszka
2008-05-14 21:06             ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-05-14 21:06               ` Hollis Blanchard
2008-05-14 21:11               ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-05-14 21:11                 ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-05-14 21:13                 ` [kvm-ppc-devel] [kvm-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-05-14 21:13                   ` [kvm-ppc-devel] " Hollis Blanchard
2008-05-15  7:47 ` Avi Kivity

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