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From: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
To: John Stoffel <john@stoffel.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@ftp.linux.org.uk>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [announce] "kill the Big Kernel Lock (BKL)" tree
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 17:10:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <482C5281.7020306@firstfloor.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <18476.20788.142218.370584@stoffel.org>

John Stoffel wrote:
>>>>>> "Andi" == Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org> writes:
> 
> Andi> Linus Torvalds wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 May 2008, Andi Kleen wrote:
>>>> The goal less being to get rid of BKL in old drivers, but not 
>>>> requiring BKL in new drivers. Basically all BKL assumptions
>>>> in interfaces really should go.
>>> No, we really do want to get rid of BKL in old drivers too. Or at least in 
>>> the interfaces.
> 
> Andi> In the interfaces definitely yes and all subsystems should have
> Andi> their own lock_kernel calls, but why in the old drivers? For
> Andi> those it's very unlikely they are used on any SMP system anyways
> Andi> (e.g. anything depending on CONFIG_ISA) or if they do only on 2
> Andi> CPU systems.
> 
> I'm still running an SMP server with ISA slots. 

I do too (although one CPU has died recently), but how many ISA devices
do you use in it? Mine used to have a ISA ISDN card, but that was it
and then no ISA anymore even though the slots are still in there.

Also on 2 CPU systems BKL is not that critical anyways. It only starts
to hurt on larger CPU counts.

-Andi


  reply	other threads:[~2008-05-15 15:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-14 17:49 [announce] "kill the Big Kernel Lock (BKL)" tree Ingo Molnar
2008-05-14 18:30 ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-14 21:00   ` Alan Cox
2008-05-14 21:13     ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-14 21:16       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-14 21:17         ` Alan Cox
2008-05-14 21:19       ` Alan Cox
2008-05-14 21:45         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-14 22:03           ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-15 13:34             ` Alan Cox
2008-05-15 14:27               ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-15 15:36                 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-16 10:21                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-15  8:02           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-14 18:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-14 19:41   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-14 20:05     ` Frederik Deweerdt
2008-05-14 21:45 ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-14 21:39   ` Alan Cox
2008-05-14 21:56   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-14 22:07     ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-14 22:14       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-22 20:20       ` Alan Cox
2008-05-16 15:44     ` [PATCH, RFC] char dev BKL pushdown Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-16 15:49       ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-05-16 16:03         ` [PATCH] kill empty chardev open/release methods Christoph Hellwig
2008-05-16 16:24           ` Alan Cox
2008-05-16 20:55           ` Alan Cox
2008-05-18 19:46             ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-18 19:58               ` Alan Cox
2008-05-16 16:22       ` [PATCH, RFC] char dev BKL pushdown Alan Cox
2008-05-16 16:30       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-16 16:43         ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-17 21:15       ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-05-18 20:26         ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-19 23:07           ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]             ` <200805200111.47275.arnd@arndb.de>
2008-05-19 23:14               ` [PATCH 2/3, RFC] watchdog " Arnd Bergmann
2008-05-20  6:20                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-05-20  8:30                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-05-20 15:47                     ` Wim Van Sebroeck
2008-05-20 18:31                       ` Alan Cox
2008-05-20 21:00                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-05-22  9:34                           ` Alan Cox
2008-05-20  9:08                   ` Alan Cox
2008-05-20  8:42                 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-19 23:26             ` [PATCH 1/3, RFC] misc char " Arnd Bergmann
2008-05-20  0:07               ` Mike Frysinger
2008-05-20  0:21                 ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-20  0:46                   ` Mike Frysinger
2008-05-20  8:46               ` Alan Cox
2008-05-20 23:01               ` Mike Frysinger
2008-05-20 23:25                 ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-21 16:22                   ` Mike Frysinger
2008-05-19 23:34             ` [PATCH 3/3, RFC] remove BKL from misc_open() Arnd Bergmann
2008-05-20 15:13             ` [PATCH, RFC] char dev BKL pushdown Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-20 17:21               ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-05-20 18:51                 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-17 21:58       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-18 20:07         ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-14 22:11   ` [announce] "kill the Big Kernel Lock (BKL)" tree Andi Kleen
2008-05-14 22:16     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-14 22:21       ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-15 13:30         ` Alan Cox
2008-05-15 15:05         ` John Stoffel
2008-05-15 15:10           ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2008-05-15 15:18             ` John Stoffel
2008-05-15 15:45               ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-15  8:44   ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-05-15 14:54     ` Diego Calleja
2008-05-14 21:46 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-14 22:11   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-14 22:15   ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-15 17:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-15 20:27   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-15 20:45     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-15 21:22       ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-17  0:14 ` Kevin Winchester
2008-05-17  0:37   ` Kevin Winchester

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