[Printing-architecture] Suggestion for a small change in your design for the Common Printing Dialog

[Printing-architecture] Suggestion for a small change in your design for the Common Printing Dialog

[Till Kamppeter]

Hi,

on the Ubuntu Developer Summit (UDS) in Prague we have discussed your 
design for the Common Printing Dialog. During the discussion doubts came 
up about how to print only selected pages of a document. A suggestion 
was then that one can add buttons to the preview to (de)select the page 
currently visible (like implemented in multi-function printers where one 
can print photos from a memory card selecting them on the printer's 
display, or like on digital cameras with PictBridge).

WDYT about this feature? Or what were your ideas about selecting the 
pages to be printed?

    Till

Re: [Printing-architecture] Suggestion for a small change in your design for the Common Printing Dialog

[Alex Wauck]

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I like it.  I'm using a custom widget for the preview instead of the Qt
preview widget, so it won't be too difficult to implement.  We just need to
figure out how to specify ranges.  People don't want to go through and mark
every page in a 100-page range.

Alex

On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Till Kamppeter <till.kamppeter@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> on the Ubuntu Developer Summit (UDS) in Prague we have discussed your
> design for the Common Printing Dialog. During the discussion doubts came
> up about how to print only selected pages of a document. A suggestion
> was then that one can add buttons to the preview to (de)select the page
> currently visible (like implemented in multi-function printers where one
> can print photos from a memory card selecting them on the printer's
> display, or like on digital cameras with PictBridge).
>
> WDYT about this feature? Or what were your ideas about selecting the
> pages to be printed?
>
>    Till
> _______________________________________________
> Printing-architecture mailing list
> Printing-architecture@lists.linux-foundation.org
> https://lists.linux-foundation.org/mailman/listinfo/printing-architecture
>

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Re: [Printing-architecture] Suggestion for a small change in your design for the Common Printing Dialog

[Ira McDonald]

Hi Alex and Till,

FWIW - In IPP/1.1 Production Printing, Open Printing Job Ticket API, and
PWG Semantic Model, we have a common "pages" attribute defined as
'(1setOf rangeOfInteger(1:MAX))' (i.e., a set of page ranges).

I suggest we give the user a set of boxes like ordinary page range that can
be filled in for a discontiguous set of pages.

Cheers,
- Ira

On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Alex Wauck <alex.wauck@gmail.com> wrote:
> I like it.  I'm using a custom widget for the preview instead of the Qt
> preview widget, so it won't be too difficult to implement.  We just need to
> figure out how to specify ranges.  People don't want to go through and mark
> every page in a 100-page range.
>
> Alex
>
> On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Till Kamppeter <till.kamppeter@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> on the Ubuntu Developer Summit (UDS) in Prague we have discussed your
>> design for the Common Printing Dialog. During the discussion doubts came
>> up about how to print only selected pages of a document. A suggestion
>> was then that one can add buttons to the preview to (de)select the page
>> currently visible (like implemented in multi-function printers where one
>> can print photos from a memory card selecting them on the printer's
>> display, or like on digital cameras with PictBridge).
>>
>> WDYT about this feature? Or what were your ideas about selecting the
>> pages to be printed?
>>
>>    Till
>> _______________________________________________
>> Printing-architecture mailing list
>> Printing-architecture@lists.linux-foundation.org
>> https://lists.linux-foundation.org/mailman/listinfo/printing-architecture
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Printing-architecture mailing list
> Printing-architecture@lists.linux-foundation.org
> https://lists.linux-foundation.org/mailman/listinfo/printing-architecture
>
>



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Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
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 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176
 734-944-0094
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Re: [Printing-architecture] Suggestion for a small change in your design for the Common Printing Dialog

[Alex Wauck]

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Could you describe that in more detail?  I don't really like the current way
(i.e. entering something like "1,2,5-70,75" to get pages 1, 2, 5 through 70,
and 75).  It's quick and easy for people like me who feel hobbled without a
command line, but I don't think it's particularly intuitive or easy for
others.

Alex

On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Alex and Till,
>
> FWIW - In IPP/1.1 Production Printing, Open Printing Job Ticket API, and
> PWG Semantic Model, we have a common "pages" attribute defined as
> '(1setOf rangeOfInteger(1:MAX))' (i.e., a set of page ranges).
>
> I suggest we give the user a set of boxes like ordinary page range that can
> be filled in for a discontiguous set of pages.
>
> Cheers,
> - Ira
>
> On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Alex Wauck <alex.wauck@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I like it.  I'm using a custom widget for the preview instead of the Qt
> > preview widget, so it won't be too difficult to implement.  We just need
> to
> > figure out how to specify ranges.  People don't want to go through and
> mark
> > every page in a 100-page range.
> >
> > Alex
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Till Kamppeter <till.kamppeter@gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> on the Ubuntu Developer Summit (UDS) in Prague we have discussed your
> >> design for the Common Printing Dialog. During the discussion doubts came
> >> up about how to print only selected pages of a document. A suggestion
> >> was then that one can add buttons to the preview to (de)select the page
> >> currently visible (like implemented in multi-function printers where one
> >> can print photos from a memory card selecting them on the printer's
> >> display, or like on digital cameras with PictBridge).
> >>
> >> WDYT about this feature? Or what were your ideas about selecting the
> >> pages to be printed?
> >>
> >>    Till
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Printing-architecture mailing list
> >> Printing-architecture@lists.linux-foundation.org
> >>
> https://lists.linux-foundation.org/mailman/listinfo/printing-architecture
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Printing-architecture mailing list
> > Printing-architecture@lists.linux-foundation.org
> >
> https://lists.linux-foundation.org/mailman/listinfo/printing-architecture
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
> email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
> winter:
>  579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176
>  734-944-0094
> summer:
>  PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839
>  906-494-2434
>

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Re: [Printing-architecture] Suggestion for a small change in your design for the Common Printing Dialog

[Ira McDonald]

Hi Alex,

On the front page of most print dialogs is the choice: current page, all pages,
or page range.

I suggest a set of page range boxes, horizontally (or vertically for I18N),
where the first defaults to '1..last', changing it's value (e.g., to '2..5')
changes the second box default to '6..last', etc.  Needs work perhaps,
but the idea is to separate your list below into a series of ranges (or
single page numbers) in separate entry boxes to make better sense for
non-geeks.  Then perhaps a blue/grey squares horizontal diagram below
the pages boxes that shows the selected pages graphically on one line.

Over the DBUS control channel, a multi-valued 'pages' attribute should
be used (not the simple 'n..m' typical format).

Cheers,
- Ira

On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Alex Wauck <alex.wauck@gmail.com> wrote:
> Could you describe that in more detail?  I don't really like the current way
> (i.e. entering something like "1,2,5-70,75" to get pages 1, 2, 5 through 70,
> and 75).  It's quick and easy for people like me who feel hobbled without a
> command line, but I don't think it's particularly intuitive or easy for
> others.
>
> Alex
>
> On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Alex and Till,
>>
>> FWIW - In IPP/1.1 Production Printing, Open Printing Job Ticket API, and
>> PWG Semantic Model, we have a common "pages" attribute defined as
>> '(1setOf rangeOfInteger(1:MAX))' (i.e., a set of page ranges).
>>
>> I suggest we give the user a set of boxes like ordinary page range that
>> can
>> be filled in for a discontiguous set of pages.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> - Ira
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 6:41 PM, Alex Wauck <alex.wauck@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I like it.  I'm using a custom widget for the preview instead of the Qt
>> > preview widget, so it won't be too difficult to implement.  We just need
>> > to
>> > figure out how to specify ranges.  People don't want to go through and
>> > mark
>> > every page in a 100-page range.
>> >
>> > Alex
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Till Kamppeter
>> > <till.kamppeter@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> on the Ubuntu Developer Summit (UDS) in Prague we have discussed your
>> >> design for the Common Printing Dialog. During the discussion doubts
>> >> came
>> >> up about how to print only selected pages of a document. A suggestion
>> >> was then that one can add buttons to the preview to (de)select the page
>> >> currently visible (like implemented in multi-function printers where
>> >> one
>> >> can print photos from a memory card selecting them on the printer's
>> >> display, or like on digital cameras with PictBridge).
>> >>
>> >> WDYT about this feature? Or what were your ideas about selecting the
>> >> pages to be printed?
>> >>
>> >>    Till
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Printing-architecture mailing list
>> >> Printing-architecture@lists.linux-foundation.org
>> >>
>> >> https://lists.linux-foundation.org/mailman/listinfo/printing-architecture
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Printing-architecture mailing list
>> > Printing-architecture@lists.linux-foundation.org
>> >
>> > https://lists.linux-foundation.org/mailman/listinfo/printing-architecture
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
>> Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
>> Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
>> email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
>> winter:
>>  579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176
>>  734-944-0094
>> summer:
>>  PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839
>>  906-494-2434
>
>



-- 
Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect)
Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG
Blue Roof Music/High North Inc
email: blueroofmusic@gmail.com
winter:
 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176
 734-944-0094
summer:
 PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839
 906-494-2434

Re: [Printing-architecture] Suggestion for a small change in your design for the Common Printing Dialog

[peter sikking]

Till et al,

> on the Ubuntu Developer Summit (UDS) in Prague we have discussed  
> your design for the Common Printing Dialog. During the discussion  
> doubts came up about how to print only selected pages of a document.

interesting, discussing UI that has not been designed yet.

I will put in a way to make the obvious easy, and the complicated  
possible.

there will be an update on the design project later today...

     --ps

         founder + principal interaction architect
             man + machine interface works

         http://mmiworks.net/blog : on interaction architecture