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From: Mark Hounschell <dmarkh@cfl.rr.com>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Ingo Oeser <ioe-lkml@rameria.de>, Paul Jackson <pj@sgi.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>,
	"Derek L. Fults" <dfults@sgi.com>, devik <devik@cdi.cz>,
	Dimitri Sivanich <sivanich@sgi.com>,
	Dinakar Guniguntala <dino@in.ibm.com>,
	Emmanuel Pacaud <emmanuel.pacaud@univ-poitiers.fr>,
	Frederik Deweerdt <deweerdt@free.fr>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Matthew Dobson <colpatch@us.ibm.com>,
	Max Krasnyansky <maxk@qualcomm.com>,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@tv-sign.ru>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@us.ibm.com>,
	Paul Menage <menage@google.com>,
	"Randy.Dunlap" <rddunlap@osdl.org>,
	suresh.b.siddha@intel.com, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: Inquiry: Should we remove "isolcpus= kernel boot option? (may have realtime uses)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 05:58:29 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48466745.5050802@cfl.rr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200806031603.40731.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>

Nick Piggin wrote:
> On Tuesday 03 June 2008 08:45, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>> On Tue, 2008-06-03 at 00:35 +0200, Ingo Oeser wrote:
>>> Hi Paul,
>>>
>>> in short: NAK!
>>>
>>> On Monday 02 June 2008, Paul Jackson wrote:
>>>> (Aside to the RealTime folks -- is there a 'realtime'
>>>> email list which I should include in this discussion?)
>>>>
>>>> The kernel has a "isolcpus=" kernel boot time parameter.  This
>>>> parameter isolates CPUs from scheduler load balancing, minimizing the
>>>> impact of scheduler latencies on realtime tasks running on those CPUs.
>>> I used it to mask out a defect CPU on a 8-CPU node of a
>>> HPC-cluster at a customer site, until the $BIG_VENDOR
>>> sent a replacement. And to prove $BIG_VENDOR, that we actually
>>> have a problem on THAT CPU.
>>>
>>> So I would really like to keep this fault isolation capability.
>>> I made my customer happy with that.
>>>
>>> I wish Linux had more such "mask out bad hardware" features
>>> to faciliate fault isolation and boot and runtime.
>> Yeah - except that its not meant to be used as such - it will still
>> brings the cpu up, and it is still usable for the OS.
>>
>> So sorry, your abuse doesn't make for a case to keep this abomination.
> 
> How come it is an abonination? It is an easy way to do what it does,
> and it's actually not a bad thing for some uses not to have to use
> cpusets.
> 
> Given that it's all __init code anyway, is there a real reason _to_
> remove it?

IMHO,

What is an abonination, is that cpusets are equired for this type of 
isolation to begin with, even on a 2 processor machine.

I would like the option to stay and be extended like Max originally
proposed. If cpusets/hotplug are configured isolation would be obtained 
using them. If not then isolcpus could be used to get the same isolation.

 From a user land point of view, I just want an easy way to fully 
isolate a particular cpu. Even a new syscall or extension to 
sched_setaffinity would make me happy. Cpusets and hotplug don't.

Again this is just MHO.

Regards
Mark


  reply	other threads:[~2008-06-04 10:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-02  2:30 Inquiry: Should we remove "isolcpus= kernel boot option? (may have realtime uses) Paul Jackson
2008-06-02 16:42 ` Dimitri Sivanich
2008-06-02 18:39   ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-06-02 21:41     ` Dimitri Sivanich
2008-06-02 21:59       ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-06-03 14:40         ` Dimitri Sivanich
2008-06-03 17:57           ` Max Krasnyanskiy
2008-06-04 14:00           ` Dimitri Sivanich
2008-06-04 18:07             ` Stop machine threads are getting preemted by the rt period enforcement Max Krasnyansky
2008-06-04 18:18               ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-06-04 18:24                 ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-06-04 18:55                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-06-04 20:14                     ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-06-02 22:35 ` Inquiry: Should we remove "isolcpus= kernel boot option? (may have realtime uses) Ingo Oeser
2008-06-02 22:45   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-06-02 23:04     ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-06-02 23:55       ` Ingo Oeser
2008-06-03  3:32         ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-06-03 23:47           ` Max Krasnyanskiy
2008-06-04  0:41             ` Paul Jackson
2008-06-04  4:32               ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-06-04  4:47                 ` Paul Jackson
2008-06-04 12:18                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-06-04 17:41                   ` Paul Jackson
2008-06-04 18:29                     ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-06-04 18:56                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-06-04 19:34                         ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-06-04 18:58                       ` Paul Jackson
2008-06-04 19:31                         ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-06-04 19:37                           ` Paul Jackson
2008-06-04 19:45                             ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-06-04 20:05                       ` Andi Kleen
2008-06-04 20:23                         ` Paul Jackson
2008-06-04 20:03                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-06-04 20:16                       ` Paul Jackson
2008-06-04 20:33                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-06-04 20:38                           ` Paul Jackson
2008-06-04 21:16                             ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-06-04 21:17                               ` Paul Jackson
2008-06-04 21:20                                 ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-06-04 21:26                                   ` Paul Jackson
2008-06-04  1:18             ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-04  3:00               ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-06-04 16:18             ` Ingo Oeser
2008-06-04 17:47               ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-06-03  6:03     ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-04  9:58       ` Mark Hounschell [this message]
2008-06-04 17:26         ` Paul Jackson
2008-06-04 21:00           ` Mark Hounschell
2008-06-04 21:03             ` Paul Jackson
2008-06-04 19:26         ` Max Krasnyansky
2008-06-04 20:25           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-06-04 21:44             ` Michael Trimarchi
2008-06-04 21:52               ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-06-05 11:16                 ` Michael Trimarchi
2008-06-05 12:07                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-06-05 14:57                     ` Michael Trimarchi
2009-05-08  2:48               ` GeunSik Lim
2008-06-05 11:44             ` Mark Hounschell
2008-06-06 22:28               ` Max Krasnyanskiy

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