From: KaiGai Kohei <kaigai@ak.jp.nec.com>
To: Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>
Cc: Joshua Brindle <jbrindle@tresys.com>,
Stephen Smalley <stephen.smalley@gmail.com>,
KaiGai Kohei <kaigai@kaigai.gr.jp>,
jmorris@namei.org, paul.moore@hp.com, selinux@tycho.nsa.gov
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] Thread/Child-Domain Assignment
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:26:09 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4892AC81.3090607@ak.jp.nec.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1217333164.20373.154.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil>
>> I have measured a performance to check hierarchy/neverallow constraint
>> with patched libsepol as a trial. Unfortunatelly, about 80% of CPU time
>> is consumed by check_assertions() for neverallows.
>>
>> [root@saba ~]# time -p semodule -r kaigai
>> hierarchy_check_constraints: 37.32 [s]
>> check_assertions: 139.05 [s]
>> real 205.32
>> user 198.06
>> sys 3.75
>>
>> These checks at policy load time gives us negative effect in system
>> bootup time, unless remarkable improvements. So, I prefer lazy dynamic
>> checking approach.
>>
>> (*) System bootup time is one of the major topics for embedded Linux folks.
>
> Ok. I'd be interested in seeing that libsepol patch nonetheless, and we
> may want to retain full checking there as an option for validation at
> policy build time (via make validate) while introducing lazy dynamic
> checking in the kernel.
I tries to run semodule with patched libsepol to deliver NEVERALLOW rules
into kernel space, however, it cost was extremely expensive and unacceptable.
Some of NEVERALLOWs covers wide range of types, like:
neverallow ~{ domain unlabeled_t } *:process *;
It is finally translated massive amount of avtab structure, and it makes
grow the size of security policy. In my estimation, the above single NEVERALLOW
constraint makes about 4,000,000 of avtab and it will consume 48Mb of additional
memory and storage for nonsense purpose in most cases.
So, I reconsidered the feature to check NEVERALLOW should not be ported into
kernelspace.
(*) I killed semodule due to its long processes...
[root@saba libsepol]# ls -lh /etc/selinux/targeted/modules/tmp/policy.kern
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 29M 2008-08-01 15:08 /etc/selinux/targeted/modules/tmp/policy.kern
^^^
[root@saba libsepol]# ls -lh /etc/selinux/targeted/policy/
total 11M
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.4M 2008-04-03 15:19 policy.22
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.7M 2008-07-22 19:27 policy.23
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.7M 2008-08-01 13:45 policy.24
Thanks,
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KaiGai Kohei <kaigai@ak.jp.nec.com>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-08-01 6:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-07-15 10:06 [RFC] An idea of thread/child-domain assignment KaiGai Kohei
2008-07-15 13:38 ` Stephen Smalley
2008-07-16 2:17 ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-07-16 6:08 ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-07-16 12:00 ` Stephen Smalley
2008-07-16 12:18 ` Stephen Smalley
2008-07-18 6:21 ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-07-23 3:58 ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-07-25 12:51 ` [PATCH 0/3] Thread/Child-Domain Assignment KaiGai Kohei
2008-07-25 13:03 ` [PATCH 1/3] " KaiGai Kohei
2008-07-25 13:44 ` Stephen Smalley
2008-07-25 17:06 ` Joshua Brindle
2008-07-26 8:24 ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-07-25 17:07 ` Joshua Brindle
2008-07-26 7:55 ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-07-26 17:28 ` Stephen Smalley
2008-07-26 18:14 ` Joshua Brindle
2008-07-28 3:06 ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-07-28 17:31 ` Stephen Smalley
2008-07-29 6:51 ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-07-29 12:06 ` Stephen Smalley
2008-07-30 14:10 ` Joshua Brindle
2008-07-30 14:57 ` Stephen Smalley
2008-08-01 6:26 ` KaiGai Kohei [this message]
2008-07-25 13:03 ` [PATCH 2/3] " KaiGai Kohei
2008-07-29 7:15 ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-07-29 12:25 ` Scott Schmit
2008-07-29 13:28 ` Stephen Smalley
2008-07-25 13:04 ` [PATCH 3/3] " KaiGai Kohei
2008-07-25 13:04 ` [PATCH 4/3] " KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-05 5:47 ` [PATCH 0/3] Thread/Child-Domain Assignment (rev.2) KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-05 5:55 ` [PATCH 1/3] " KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-05 12:53 ` Stephen Smalley
2008-08-06 10:05 ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-06 10:13 ` [PATCH 1/3] Thread/Child-Domain Assignment (rev.3) KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-14 7:38 ` [PATCH 1/3] Thread/Child-Domain Assignment (rev.4) KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-15 18:13 ` Stephen Smalley
2008-08-20 9:41 ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-25 12:32 ` [PATCH 1/3] Thread/Child-Domain Assignment (rev.6) KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-25 12:57 ` Stephen Smalley
2008-08-25 13:45 ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-26 7:11 ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-26 9:01 ` James Morris
2008-08-26 10:29 ` James Morris
2008-08-26 10:47 ` James Morris
2008-08-27 1:15 ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-27 8:04 ` [LTP][PATCH 1/2] Replacement of deprecated interfaces KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-27 12:14 ` Stephen Smalley
2008-08-28 6:26 ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-28 12:10 ` Subrata Modak
2008-08-28 12:52 ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-28 13:34 ` Subrata Modak
2008-10-23 9:48 ` Subrata Modak
2008-08-27 8:05 ` [LTP][PATCH 2/2] Add a new test case for bounds types KaiGai Kohei
2008-10-22 13:00 ` Subrata Modak
2008-10-23 8:10 ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-10-23 9:30 ` Subrata Modak
2008-08-27 1:11 ` [PATCH 1/3] Thread/Child-Domain Assignment (rev.6) KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-28 7:35 ` [PATCH] SELinux: add boundary support and thread context assignment KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-28 12:43 ` Stephen Smalley
2008-08-28 15:06 ` James Morris
2008-08-05 5:55 ` [PATCH 2/3] Thread/Child-Domain Assignment (rev.2) KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-06 10:14 ` [PATCH 2/3] Thread/Child-Domain Assignment (rev.3) KaiGai Kohei
2008-10-09 17:10 ` [PATCH 2/3] Thread/Child-Domain Assignment (rev.2) Joshua Brindle
2008-10-10 1:19 ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-10-10 1:22 ` Joshua Brindle
2008-08-05 5:55 ` [PATCH 3/3] " KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-06 10:13 ` [PATCH 3/3] Thread/Child-Domain Assignment (rev.3) KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-25 12:32 ` [PATCH 3/3] Thread/Child-Domain Assignment (rev.4) KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-28 15:51 ` Joshua Brindle
2008-08-29 1:54 ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-29 3:01 ` Joshua Brindle
2008-09-01 6:26 ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-09-01 9:08 ` [PATCH] libsepol : Add support for a new policy version (POLICYDB_VERSION_BOUNDARY) KaiGai Kohei
2008-09-01 14:47 ` [PATCH 3/3] Thread/Child-Domain Assignment (rev.4) Joshua Brindle
2008-09-01 16:11 ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-09-09 2:04 ` [PATCH 3/3] Thread/Child-Domain Assignment (rev.6) KaiGai Kohei
2008-09-12 18:17 ` Joshua Brindle
2008-09-12 23:20 ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-09-15 13:44 ` Joshua Brindle
2008-09-16 1:50 ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-09-30 14:00 ` Joshua Brindle
2008-10-01 7:53 ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-10-01 19:56 ` Joshua Brindle
2008-10-04 23:30 ` Joshua Brindle
2008-10-06 9:19 ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-10-06 19:13 ` Joshua Brindle
2008-10-07 6:39 ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-10-09 15:30 ` Joshua Brindle
2008-10-09 17:00 ` Joshua Brindle
2008-10-10 0:57 ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-10-09 17:11 ` Joshua Brindle
2008-10-06 12:30 ` Stephen Smalley
2008-10-06 19:13 ` Joshua Brindle
2008-08-11 17:58 ` [PATCH 0/3] Thread/Child-Domain Assignment (rev.2) Joshua Brindle
2008-08-13 5:53 ` KaiGai Kohei
2008-08-14 8:55 ` A toy of SQL injection (Re: [PATCH 0/3] Thread/Child-Domain Assignment) KaiGai Kohei
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